This is Torture?

[red states rule]

Right, but even spies get rights, and for that person to be shot as a spy, first their would have to be a fair trial, which requires enforcing the man's rights, as opposed to the current run of things. How do you outhate a terrorist? You can't, they have 500 years plus experience on us.

And speaking of the "treatment" and "horrible conditions" at GITMO


Radio personality and chairman of Move America Forward, Melanie Morgan, has recently returned from a Christmas visit to the controversial Guantanamo Bay, Cuba -- telling Newsmax that the American people have been lied to about how the terror war detainees being held there are treated.

“I saw that there were a lot of attorneys and big mouths in this country who are trying to describe hideous conditions at Gitmo,” she says. “That is simply not the case. Those people are lying to the American people.”

Morgan, who began her career reporting on the 1983 Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks bombing, where 241 Marines were killed, goes on to describe what she discovered during her three-day visit.

“The terrorists at Gitmo are given more religious consideration than our troops are,” Morgan explains. “They have six meal plans every day that they can choose from. At the beginning of the week on Monday they describe what kind of foods that they would like. If the fresh fruit is bruised, they are allowed to return it for a higher quality fruit.

“They live in air conditioned state of the art buildings,” she adds. “In fact, in one of variants of ‘compliance’ centers (what the lockups are called), the most dangerous terrorists in the world are kept in a facility that was built modularly based on the facility in Terre Haute, Indiana.

“So, there is a communication center in the middle, and the inmates are kept in rooms that form a spoke around there. They are allowed to shower every single day for 15 minutes. They have more exercise and recreational time than American school children do.

“In fact, the lowest security inmates are allowed 14 hours a day outside of their cell. They are taught English. They are allowed to read from six newspapers a day. They have painted arrows on the concrete floors pointing to Mecca so that the radical Muslims can pray five times a day.”

But there is more to the coddling the prisoners receive, according to Morgan, who is the co-author of “American Mourning,” a book that criticized anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan,

“These guys have movie night six nights a week and they get popcorn,” Morgan explains by way of setting up an anecdote about detainee behavior.

“They got real mad once about six months ago because they saw an American woman who wasn’t properly covered up on one of the TV shows that they were watching, and they rioted and busted up the TV.

“So what was their punishment for doing this? Well, the American military, actually the U.S. taxpayers, bought them a brand new big screen plasma TV that they now have under Plexiglas so that they can’t break it.”


http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mel...31/166911.html

[DragonStryk72]

yeah, that doesn't remove torture, that's like hitting a guy with your car then feeling vindicated because you bought him a pizza afterward. It does not address the things that were brought up in your own OP, so I don't see how it ends up mattering. Torture is still torture, it is still morally bankrupt, even if they get to watch the Super Bowl afterward.

[red states rule]

yeah, that doesn't remove torture, that's like hitting a guy with your car then feeling vindicated because you bought him a pizza afterward. It does not address the things that were brought up in your own OP, so I don't see how it ends up mattering. Torture is still torture, it is still morally bankrupt, even if they get to watch the Super Bowl afterward.

So what is torture to you?

Yelling? Loud music? Sleep deprivation?

How would you get the info that has already stopped attacks and saved lives

BTW, more on those "horrible conditions"


“There are outdoor almost football sized field soccer and recreational areas. I mean, yes, it is a fenced area but it is the size of a soccer field. It is not like a cage.

“They are treated better than most federal prisoners. There is no question about it in the lower security camps. Even in the high security camps, they are allowed out four hours a day.

“We actually went through the exercise area in the low compliant camp and they have elliptical exercise machines there. They are about $6,000.00 per unit.”

It was while touring the exercise area that Morgan’s group got some special attention from the detainees.

“There are windows that face that recreation area and as we were touring around the recreation area, the detainees became agitated. There were four women in our group and, of course, Miss Florida is very, very beautiful. They started screaming and yelling at us, and then at one point they gave us the universal sign for slitting someone’s throat, the hand across the throat.

“They would happily have slit our throats as we dared to look at them in the eyes -- that is a tremendous insult to them.”

Another insult apparently is a beardless face on a man.

In the same soccer field recreation area, the detainees have a foosball game. This well known game features wooden soccer players on spinning rods – but the player caricatures are without facial hair.

“I discovered that our American guards had to shave off the face of the foosball characters because they were religiously offensive to the captives,” recounts Morgan incredulously.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mel...31/166911.html

[PostmodernProphet]

So what is torture to you?

...reading liberal's posts......