where are the anti gun people at

[johnney]

(doubletake)

huh????

There are literally millions of events every year in this country, where a guy assaults or threatens or etc. A victim, and the victim turns out to have a gun.

In the vast majority, the victim never fires the gun.

He mentions the gun, or shows it in the holster, or pulls it out and points it at the sky or ground, or (more rarely) pulls it out and points it at the perp. The perp either runs like hell, or surrenders.

In the occasional instances where the victim fires the gun, it's usually a warning shot into the air.

Only rarely does he fire it at the perp and hit him. In most of those cases, the perp is injured, not killed.

In very rare instances, the perp is killed by his intended victim.

Studies by the u.s. Dept. Of justice and other groups have demonstrated these facts many times.

Bottom line: A gun in a law-abiding citizen's hands is usually used to deter a crime, with no one being injured or killed.

The argument that guns have no purpose other than to kill, is laughable.

If no victims had guns (especially if the criminals know that no victims have guns), there would be a lot more crimes, and probably a lot more injuries and deaths to law-abiding people.

When i hear people trying to argue for the disarmament of law-abiding citizens, i have to wonder if that's not exactly what they want to accomplish.

Noir?

amen

[johnney]

Obviously they need to make people get permits to have one and only after a background check...its not like people couldn't use the age old solution of clothes pins and line drying...hrm wait kids might accidentally choke themselves...we better just outlaw clothes washing all together ...which, wait a MINUTE.... I have a brilliant idea!! - if we outlaw washing clothes, people will have to buy new ones which will also help stimulate the economy!!!!!! Holy crap I need to call my Senator to relay this genius!!

as long as we dont outlaw clothes... i work with some scary people

[Noir]

Well if that's true then there would be shit loads of folk being shot and held at gun point in the UK as the criminals know we have no guns, right?...oh, we, a 30% drop in gun deaths to about 200 a year...hm...

Good to see you want to debate gun deaths again, last time I debated with yourself (LA) and hobbit about them, and after using stats from a UK goverment source, you then critized me for using stats from a UK goverment source, satin they were not reliable, remember? You never did reply after that, nor did hobbit...

Like I said you guys are fucked if you do and fucked if you don't. So you may grow use to the massive death toll every year, cus you guys have made a blood soaked bed, and now you may lie in it.

[Little-Acorn]

Well if that's true then there would be shit loads of folk being shot and held at gun point in the UK as the criminals know we have no guns, right?

Right.

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http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/.../26/27556.html

UK Gun Crimes Soar After Gun Ban

Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:36 PM

Gun crimes in England have almost doubled since 1997, when a ban on firearms began.

According to the Sunday Times of London, crimes in which guns were used numbered 4,671 in 2005-06.

Also, government officials report that most gun crime is committed by children and teenagers under 18 years old.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, told the Telegraph: "What this shows is that the majority of these crimes are committed by youngsters under 18.

"The government's policy has failed with the group most responsible for this increase in crime. It is long past time the Government stopped believing its own propaganda, and took measures to get a grip."

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Who, again, is "fucked"?

[johnney]

Well if that's true then there would be shit loads of folk being shot and held at gun point in the UK as the criminals know we have no guns, right?...oh, we, a 30% drop in gun deaths to about 200 a year...hm...

Good to see you want to debate gun deaths again, last time I debated with yourself (LA) and hobbit about them, and after using stats from a UK goverment source, you then critized me for using stats from a UK goverment source, satin they were not reliable, remember? You never did reply after that, nor did hobbit...

Like I said you guys are fucked if you do and fucked if you don't. So you may grow use to the massive death toll every year, cus you guys have made a blood soaked bed, and now you may lie in it.

and if you are willing to put your well being soley in the hands of your govenment, then you are fucked too. Darin said this in another thread, and i have seen it all over the internet, "when seconds count, the cops are minutes away".
im not as willing. ill lay in that blood soaked bed and be happy im safe. guns made this country free and we will always have them around. when they take our right to bear arms, what right is next?

[Mr. P]

I would rather have a knife problem becuase I guy can not go into a knife and kill 30 people in minutes, infact they may not be able to kill 1, a knife relies on CQC, in which case there are always odds both ways, however if a guy walks into a school with a gun then your only hope is that either he doesn't shoot you or If you are shot it's not serious. Again while neither are desirable I know which I would rather.

Guess you missed that 911 thing, huh?

[red states rule]

But cars have a use other than runing folk over, guns don't. I accept there is hunting, and here we have strict rules for owning a hunting rifle and that's fine. But you do not need an Uzi for hunting, and the arguement of protection is a myth.

The problem you guys have is that guns have been avaiabpe for so long, to so many, that trying to reduce the weapons will be near impossible, and you guys will be feeling the pain of it for many years to come, in the form of tens of thousands of dead men, women and children.

and when the folks are unarmed, how do they deal with criminals who break into their homes? Use harsh anguage?

What would you do Noir?

The US cities with the harshest gun laws, have the most crime. The criminals know they law abiding citizens are sitting ducks