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    Default Officers blamed for Tillman case errors

    This has just been a sad story all around since it began. The coverup was pretty low down though.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/...z90epHve6yFz4D

    WASHINGTON - Nine officers, including up to four generals, should be held accountable for missteps in the aftermath of the friendly fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, a Pentagon investigation will recommend.

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    Senior defense officials said Friday the Defense Department inspector general will cite a range of errors and inappropriate conduct as the military probed the former football star's death on the battlefront in 2004, said one defense official.

    The official, who like the others requested anonymity because the Army has not publicly released the information, said it appears senior military leaders may not have had all the facts or worked hard enough to get the facts of what happened on April 22, 2004, when Tillman was killed by members of his own platoon.

    Dozens of soldiers — those immediately around Tillman at the scene of the shooting, his immediate superiors and high-ranking officers at a command post nearby — knew within minutes or hours that his death was fratricide.

    Even so, the Army persisted in telling Tillman's family he was killed in a conventional ambush, including at his nationally televised memorial service 11 days later. It was five weeks before his family was told the truth, a delay the Army has blamed on procedural mistakes.

    The latest investigation has focused on how high up the chain of command it was known that Tillman's death was caused by his own comrades. Officers from the rank of colonel and up will be blamed in the report, according to one officer who has been informed of the findings.

    According to the officials, the report will not make charges or suggest punishments, but it will recommend the Army look at holding the nine officers accountable.

    One defense official said it appears the inspector general will not conclude there was an orchestrated cover-up in the investigation.

    Tillman's father, Pat, said Friday he had no intention of commenting on the inspector general's report until he had heard an Army briefing on Monday. That day, the Army plans to release the report and a second related to the killing.

    The other report is by the Army Criminal Investigation Command, which will focus on whether a crime, such as negligent homicide, was committed when Tillman's own men shot him. One defense official said it appears the investigation did not find any criminal intent in the shooting.

    Tillman's case drew worldwide attention in part because he had turned down a multimillion-dollar contract to play defensive back for the Arizona Cardinals in order to join the Army Rangers after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    The report's release comes with the Bush administration under fire from the public and Congress for the war in Iraq. Though the Afghanistan conflict has not drawn nearly so much criticism, the report could add to the drumbeat of negative stories the administration has had to endure over the treatment of wounded soldiers and the long deployments of U.S. troops.

    To date, the Army has punished seven people for the Tillman killing, but no one was court-martialed. Four soldiers received relatively minor punishments under military law, ranging from written reprimands to expulsion from the Rangers. One had his pay reduced and was effectively forced out of the Army.

    The Army, which requested the inspector general review last year, said in a statement released Friday that it "plans to take appropriate actions after receiving the inspector general's report."

    The officials declined to name any of the officers the report will implicate. The commander of Tillman's 75th Ranger Regiment was Col. James C. Nixon. Last year he was named director of operations at the Center for Special Operations at MacDill Air Force Base, Fla.

    Nixon knew within about two days that Tillman's death was fratricide, another officer involved in the investigations told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

    Previous investigations of the case have focused on the facts of the incident and sought to answer questions of whether it was a fratricide.

    The report's findings were first reported on Friday by CBS News.

    Tillman died in Afghanistan's Paktia province, along the Pakistan border, after his platoon was ordered to split into two groups and one of the units began firing. Tillman and an Afghan with him were killed. A specialist at the time of his death, he was posthumously promoted to corporal.

    Since the incident, the Army has moved to improve the notification procedures and now requires an officer to review initial casualty information and verify that the families have been told the best, accurate information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    This has just been a sad story all around since it began. The coverup was pretty low down though.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/...z90epHve6yFz4D

    WASHINGTON - Nine officers, including up to four generals, should be held accountable for missteps in the aftermath of the friendly fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, a Pentagon investigation will recommend.

    Pretty inevitable, I think, considering how much fuss was made over Tillman's enlisting.

    But the Army is evidently gaining sophistication that coverups NEVER work, including all the many, many atrocities that our out-of-control troops have indulged in. They cannot be hidden in this Internet, instant worldwide communications day. So the Army is communicating this forcibly to their officers and men, looks like.

    Good.

    Our reputation has been ruined around the world by all these atrocities and smarmy coverups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    WASHINGTON - Nine officers, including up to four generals, should be held accountable for missteps in the aftermath of the friendly fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, a Pentagon investigation will recommend.

    What's wrong with you? It's Not they are blamed in his death - it's in the stuff after. Doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong; but made perhaps honest mistakes.

    I bet you won't be happy until EVERY US Soldier is dead, or in prison.
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    Sounds like more piling on to discredit our soldiers.

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    Tillman was killed by friendly fire, then the whole thing was covered up.
    Certainly not of that was the fault of the military, and anyone who believes so hates the troops.
    More parrot squawking by parrot heads.

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    He was killed in a friendly fire incident. It was not done maliciously. And in most cases if its covered up it's out of respect for the soldier. Better he be remember as a hero fighting than having been hit by his own troops.

    It's obvious mundame has never served or even know anyone that is serving or she would not feel that way about the troops.

    mundame if the troops are so bad I suggest you go to iran and throw yourself on the mercy of the qods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    He was killed in a friendly fire incident. It was not done maliciously. And in most cases if its covered up it's out of respect for the soldier. Better he be remember as a hero fighting than having been hit by his own troops.
    That is one of the most ridiculous pieces of garbage bullsh*t I have ever heard. Thanks for thinking anyone would believe such nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robosaurus View Post
    That is one of the most ridiculous pieces of garbage bullsh*t I have ever heard. Thanks for thinking anyone would believe such nonsense.
    What's ridiculous to me...

    Is you and others, would rather use this brave soldier who died severing his country..
    As a way to spew your hatred for the military and your country..

    Sick..
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    Stepho, that made no sense at all. As usual. Keep drinking the Bush Kool-Aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Stepho, that made no sense at all. As usual. Keep drinking the Bush Kool-Aid.
    And you keep praying to allah.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

    You get more with a kind word and a two by four, than you do with just a kind word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    That is one of the most ridiculous pieces of garbage bullsh*t I have ever heard. Thanks for thinking anyone would believe such nonsense.
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    Pat's mother, who is intensely interested in the truth, says that the Army, the Pentagon and the White House refuse to release pertinent information to her and so far most of what they have released to her has been lies. No doubt about that staged, rehearsed and very choreographed fancy national funeral, the silver star and all of that were all lies and misrepresentations. Pat's mama says that, too.

    I think the soldiers and their families deserve better than that.

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    The Pentagon brass are not interested in what happened to Tillman or any other dead American soldier. They are interested in good public relations. American dead might as well be a pile of worthless chicken bones. The Iraq conflict is about politics and making sure the Bushies don't have to admit they screw up. It's all a bloodbath and the Bushies are modeling their new swimwear.

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    What a bunch of morons we have on this board.

    The "cover-up" by the US Army was out of respect, not malice. Friendly fire accidents have happened in every war ever fought and will happen in every war fought in the future. You "LIEberals" on this board run around pulling shit out of your ass to justify an agenda that our enemies have sworn to uphold. And that is to discredit EVERYTHING this great nation stand for. "The US is emperical", "The US opresses the people of the world", "The US Military is full of thugs who just want to kill people". etc etc. What sorry, miserable lives you all must have. I mean having to live in a country so corrupt.

    Please, if the US was so fucking bad, you and your ilk would have been shot years ago. The Middle East would have been turned into "Mini-America" decades ago. This forum would not exist. Understand? I doubt you whiny-bleeding-heart-fuck-tards do, but hey, I tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    The Pentagon brass are not interested in what happened to Tillman or any other dead American soldier. They are interested in good public relations. American dead might as well be a pile of worthless chicken bones. The Iraq conflict is about politics and making sure the Bushies don't have to admit they screw up. It's all a bloodbath and the Bushies are modeling their new swimwear.
    A bloodbath? You, maam, have no idea what you are talking about. Unless of course you're "bloodbath" was in reference to the insurgent moo-slums being obliterated around every corner? Bloodbath? Ask the Marines of Iwo Jima what a "bloodbath" is. Ask the 101st of Normandy what a "bloodbath" is.


    Moron.

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