you are still a fucking idiot...Originally Posted by Missileman
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you are still a fucking idiot...
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Transplanted Yankee
And you're still a fucking liar with a second grade reading ability!
Last edited by Missileman; 02-08-2009 at 05:47 PM.
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trot out your proof, brainless one.....
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Transplanted Yankee
Post the part of the VA reg that "expressly forbids" nurses to pray as you allege.
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post number 17, dumbfuck.......
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Transplanted Yankee
There isn't anything in post 17 that forbids a nurse from praying for or with a patient...hell, there isn't even anything in what you quoted that forbids a nurse from leading a prayer group...though leading a group is discouraged. I'm gonna have to set you back a grade...you couldn't even hang with the second graders in reading comprehension.
So, let's try again. Post the part of post #17 that "expressly forbids" a nurse from praying as you alleged.
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once a dumbfuck, always a dumbfuck.....An employee runs the risk of being accused of soliciting for their particular faith group or church should they engage in running these sorts of groups. Soliciting of any sort, religious or otherwise, is prohibited by Federal regulation.
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Transplanted Yankee
Read the context dipshit! You even quoted it and STILL can't fucking understand it. Solicitation is prohibited, not prayer. RUNNING a prayer group might be misconstrued as soliciting for their particular faith group or church which is why RUNNING a prayer group is discouraged for the staff.
You are now demoted to kindergarten...care to try for nursery school?
Super Minion
I think this is a first for me, moving a thread dominated at least towards end by Missleman and Post Modern, to the cage.
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sure, DumbFuck.....just keep pretending your dealing with the topic of the thread with this bullshit.....your lack of honesty will earn you a response that will further demote me in your view.....which bothers me not the least......
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Transplanted Yankee
Moving it won't change the fact that PMP has the reading comprehension of a turnip!
But hey! You're a teacher. You read:
and tell us if you see anything in it that expressly forbids a nurse from praying for or with a patient.Prayer groups conducted for patients are the responsibility of the medical center chaplains. They may also be coordinated by faith group representatives under the supervision of the chaplain staff when a chaplain of that faith is not generally available. Staff should not be leading prayer or Bible study groups for the patients under their care. Occasionally, patients have chosen to get together informally for prayer and bible study. Chaplain section has provided study guides and Bibles (or other religious materials as in the case of Muslim or Jewish patients). There is no objection to the practice of patient-led prayer groups so long as participation is voluntary the patient(s) involved are not soliciting members for their faith group or church. An employee runs the risk of being accused of soliciting for their particular faith group or church should they engage in running these sorts of groups. Soliciting of any sort, religious or otherwise, is prohibited by Federal regulation.
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to missleman:
You asked me to comment. My comment is both of you are not listening to each other or want to. You both have valid points, but are whistling past each other.
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What a Christ-like thread!
I think their thinking might be this: the job of a nurse is a very, very busy one. If they're given permission to pray with their patients, especially if the nurse is a very devout Christian/Jew/Muslim/whatever, they might find themselves focusing on that or more likely to go to that rather than actually administering the medical care these people might need.
Not saying that's what they EXPECT to happen, but organizations write these rules to cover their own asses in extreme circumstances. Let's say a nurse is given the go-ahead to pray for a Christian patient. Meanwhile, the particularly ornery Jewish patient in the next room is waiting for his/her medicine, finds out that his/her nurse was in the next room praying over a Christian patient and decides to file a lawsuit. Now the hospital has a discrimination suit on its hands. The rules are there to avoid situations like this. Just off the top of my head, I could think of at least 4 other situations where the hospital could be held liable as a result.
Last edited by dan; 02-08-2009 at 07:33 PM.
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You could apply this logic to a nurse taking a couple of minutes to just talk to a patient to cheer him up. Same amount of time taken away from the actual work.What a Christ-like thread!
I think their thinking might be this: the job of a nurse is a very, very busy one. If they're given permission to pray with their patients, especially if the nurse is a very devout Christian/Jew/Muslim/whatever, they might find themselves focusing on that or more likely to go to that rather than actually administering the medical care these people might need.
Not saying that's what they EXPECT to happen, but organizations write these rules to cover their own asses in extreme circumstances. Let's say a nurse is given the go-ahead to pray for a Christian patient. Meanwhile, the particularly ornery Jewish patient in the next room is waiting for his/her medicine, finds out that his/her nurse was in the next room praying over a Christian patient and decides to file a lawsuit. Now the hospital has a discrimination suit on its hands. The rules are there to avoid situations like this. Just off the top of my head, I could think of at least 4 other situations where the hospital could be held liable as a result.
Yet, not only is that allowed; it is probably encouraged. It's more likely to make a patient feel better cared-for. Like prayer. I think we need to look elsewhere for the reason prayer might be prohibited.
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*sigh* Prayer isn't prohibited!
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