Obama Knows More Then General David Petraeus

[red states rule]

In addition to his "shitload" of economic experience, Pres Obama also must have a vast knowledge of military tactics



Pentagon brass chafes at Obama's Iraq pullout plan
By Inter Press Service

Tuesday, February 03, 2009


WASHINGTON: CENTCOM commander General David Petraeus, supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to pullout all US combat troops from Iraq within 18 months at an Oval Office meeting on January 21, sources have said.

But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.

Obama's decision to override Petraeus' recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including General Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=99076

[red states rule]

Look to me like Pres Obama is bowing down to Pelosi, the moonbat backers of the Dem party, and not listening to the experts

[moderate democrat]

and civilian control of the military has prevented America from becoming yet another military dictatorship. You certainly would not have wanted the military to be dictating to presidents what to do in past encounters, would you?

[red states rule]

and civilian control of the military has prevented America from becoming yet another military dictatorship. You certainly would not have wanted the military to be dictating to presidents what to do in past encounters, would you?

Of course not - but Obama is a fool for not listening to the people on the ground, and who know what is going on

General Petraeus and the Joint Chiefs should threaten to publically resign if Obama does this. There comes a point where duty, honor and country requires it.

[moderate democrat]

Of course not - but Obama is a fool for not listening to the people on the ground, and who know what is going on

General Petraeus and the Joint Chiefs should threaten to publically resign if Obama does this. There comes a point where duty, honor and country requires it.

no one has ever said that Obama did not LISTEN to Petraeus...only that, after listening to him, he made the sort of executive decisions that Commanders in Chief are SUPPOSED to make... and decided that he wanted to go on ahead with his accelerated timetable. Generals KNOW that they are NOT politicians, nor even statemen, but warriors. THey give the national command authority their best advice and then they follow orders. It is exactly how it is supposed to happen. Military men have played tough with CinC's before... MacArthur and Truman, for instance...but civilian authority MUST be maintained. If the JCS resigns en masse, I can guarantee that there are a host of eminently well qualified three and four star officers who would gladly take their places.

[red states rule]

no one has ever said that Obama did not LISTEN to Petraeus...only that, after listening to him, he made the sort of executive decisions that Commanders in Chief are SUPPOSED to make... and decided that he wanted to go on ahead with his accelerated timetable. Generals KNOW that they are NOT politicians, nor even statemen, but warriors. THey give the national command authority their best advice and then they follow orders. It is exactly how it is supposed to happen. Military men have played tough with CinC's before... MacArthur and Truman, for instance...but civilian authority MUST be maintained. If the JCS resigns en masse, I can guarantee that there are a host of eminently well qualified three and four star officers who would gladly take their places.

Obama's ego is off the charts. Stupidity is not listening to the top brass when they are telling you the realities on the ground

That stupidity will put America in danger

Only Obama lap dogs would replace those that resign. Obama would not select anyone lese. They will be the ones Obama blames when things go bad in Iraq

[PostmodernProphet]

Generals KNOW that they are NOT politicians, nor even statemen, but warriors. THey give the national command authority their best advice and then they follow orders.

precisely.....and now the war is being run by politicians, rather than the warriors.....that was the point of the thread, wasn't it?.....

[red states rule]

precisely.....and now the war is being run by politicians, rather than the warriors.....that was the point of the thread, wasn't it?.....

The senior commanders are now Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Moveon.org, and Code Pink

Does that make you feel safer?

[moderate democrat]

precisely.....and now the war is being run by politicians, rather than the warriors.....that was the point of the thread, wasn't it?.....

all wars are run by politicians... the MILITARY is run by the civilian national command authority which is, and has always been, comprised of politicians.

As I said... that national command authority listens to generals and then weighs all the other non-military factors that THEY are skilled in - and that generals are not - and makes the sorts of command decisions we elect them to make.

[moderate democrat]

The senior commanders are now Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Moveon.org, and Code Pink

Does that make you feel safer?

The senior commander is only Obama and if that doesn't make you feel safe, move, or wait until 2012 and try to nominate a republican with a chance of defeating him.

[red states rule]

The senior commander is only Obama and if that doesn't make you feel safe, move, or wait until 2012 and try to nominate a republican with a chance of defeating him.

I see the old Virgil is starting to come out

Obamawon the right to be President.

Now he has to earn the right of being President.

Winning isn't everything, it is what you do with the win that means everything.

So far, Obama isn't doing squat that makes him anything except a girly-man.

[moderate democrat]

Obamawon the right to be President.

Now he has to earn the right of being President.

Winning isn't everything, it is what you do with the win that means everything.

So far, Obama isn't doing squat that makes him anything except a girly-man.

I disagree, Elmer. He has earned the right of being president until January 2013. And again...if you don't feel safe, feel free to move to some other country where you would feel safer.... Albania, maybe?

[red states rule]

I disagree, Elmer. He has earned the right of being president until January 2013. And again...if you don't feel safe, feel free to move to some other country where you would feel safer.... Albania, maybe?

Like Obama you fail to fully grasp the reality of the situation that the General Staff has been living with for years.

[PostmodernProphet]

all wars are run by politicians...

????....so you think Bush has run the Iraq war the way he has because he wanted to be politic?.......

[red states rule]

These Generals have far more knowledge and experience then clueless Obama. He his is nothing more then a puppet for Pelosi, in this matter

I pray the Generals do take this to the public.