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    Yes Kathy, I am perplexed at the inaccuracy of American Education as it applies to inventions which are credited to others. Tesla basically invented everything. I'm bafoozled literally at the lack of credit given this obvious genius.

    His mistake was selling his ideas / patents to others. Since he was the pioneer he was I assume his philosophy was that he looked to move on to other things realizing that at the time the world was endless as to the things that still needed research. Must have been a time issue as well.

    In my opinion, his greatest invention, the Tesla Coil, which could transfer AC through the air (amazing in itself), was never perfected. We of course see it as impossible but it worked and he proved it. Imagine a world without powerlines.

    I think maybe it was due to the fact that he was a foriegner that places him where he is in American history. In Serbia, he is on money.
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    Lexi and I are planning to build a small Tesla coil for her next years Science Fair project. I am hoping it stimulates some interesting dialogue. This will give us lots of time to study this guy and have her well prepared to answer questions I am sure she will recieve.

    Incidentally, Lexi and I went to UGA yesterday and went through the School of Vetenary medicine. She had a blast seeing the students and the college way of life around Broad St (resturants, shops etc,..). She is on spring break so I have her and Tyler all week long during the day. We're about to head out now and see what we can get into.
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    In fairness, all things that come to pass were usually, if not always, based upon the ideas of others. Selling his patents was probably how he got the money needed to set up his own 'factory for ideas' very much like Edison and Westinghouse did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    In fairness, all things that come to pass were usually, if not always, based upon the ideas of others. Selling his patents was probably how he got the money needed to set up his own 'factory for ideas' very much like Edison and Westinghouse did.
    George Westinghouse was basically a Tesla ally. He took issue with Edison in fact and sided with Tesla on the theory of AC. This led to his financing of Tesla's project to light the Fair in 1893 with AC power. Of course, it worked and thereby disproved Edison's claim that Tesla would never be able to harness the power to do so. Basically it made an idiot of Edison and clearly allowed Tesla to win the "Current War".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagger View Post
    Tesla was a socialist, like Sara Palan and Newt Gingrich.
    This has WHAT to do with the conversation!!!!!!!!!?????????



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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    George Westinghouse was basically a Tesla ally. He took issue with Edison in fact and sided with Tesla on the theory of AC. This led to his financing of Tesla's project to light the Fair in 1893 with AC power. Of course, it worked and thereby disproved Edison's claim that Tesla would never be able to harness the power to do so. Basically it made an idiot of Edison and clearly allowed Tesla to win the "Current War".
    Don't forget that Edison also electrocuted an elephant to show the dangers of AC current!!!! He tried desperatley to disgrace Tesla......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nukeman View Post
    Don't forget that Edison also electrocuted an elephant to show the dangers of AC current!!!! He tried desperatley to disgrace Tesla......
    Yes...and to no avail. Most of Edison's argument against AC was it's danger. Edison was a jack ass, a liar and in the end just a fool for not having worked together with Tesla so as to bring about the best of the collective minds. The fact that he ended up with all the credit makes no difference to someone who knows better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    George Westinghouse was basically a Tesla ally. He took issue with Edison in fact and sided with Tesla on the theory of AC. This led to his financing of Tesla's project to light the Fair in 1893 with AC power. Of course, it worked and thereby disproved Edison's claim that Tesla would never be able to harness the power to do so. Basically it made an idiot of Edison and clearly allowed Tesla to win the "Current War".
    From the first site I posted, you can find quotes of Tesla regarding Edison, Westinghouse, and others. Edison's and Tesla's styles were very different. Tesla was a 'visionary', likely got bored with a project sooner than later; while Edison was a bit of a bore from what Tesla wrote and nasty as many others wrote. However, no one made an 'idiot' out of Edison, that's a non-starter.


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    Nikola Tesla

    In 1931, under the financing of Pierce-Arrow and George Westinghouse, a 1931 Pierce-Arrow was selected to be tested at the factory grounds in Buffalo, N.Y. The standard internal combustion engine was removed and an 80-H.P. 1800 r.p.m electric motor installed to the clutch and transmission. The A.C. motor measured 40 inches long and 30 inches in diameter and the power leads were left standing in the air - no external power source!

    At the appointed time, Nikola Tesla arrived from New York City and inspected the Pierce-Arrow automobile. He then went to a local radio store and purchased a handful of tubes (12), wires and assorted resistors. A box measuring 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high was assembled housing the circuit. The box was placed on the front seat and had its wires connected to the air-cooled, brushless motor. Two rods 1/4" in diameter stuck out of the box about 3" in length.

    Mr. Tesla got into the driver's seat, pushed the two rods in and stated, "We now have power". He put the car into gear and it moved forward! This vehicle, powered by an A.C. motor, was driven to speeds of 90 m.p.h. and performed better than any internal combustion engine of its day! One week was spent testing the vehicle. Several newspapers in Buffalo reported this test. When asked where the power came from, Tesla replied, "From the ethers all around us". Several people suggested that Tesla was mad and somehow in league with sinister forces of the universe. He became incensed, removed his mysterious box from the vehicle and returned to his laboratory in New York City. His secret died with him!

    It is speculated that Nikola Tesla was able to somehow harness the earth's magnetic field that encompasses our planet. And, he somehow was able to draw tremendous amounts of power by cutting these lines of force or causing them to be multiplied together. The exact nature of his device remains a mystery but it did actually function by powering the 80 h.p. A.C. motor in the Pierce-Arrow at speeds up to 90 m.p.h. and no recharging was ever necessary.
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    You are aware, emmie, that the Thomas Edison display in the Smithsonian is 90% comprised of Tesla appararti, aren't you? Although many have complained and proven outright the fallacies of the displays the politics of Edison prevail on this issue. It really is sickening to behold such abuse of power and knowledge!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    Nikola Tesla

    In 1931, under the financing of Pierce-Arrow and George Westinghouse, a 1931 Pierce-Arrow was selected to be tested at the factory grounds in Buffalo, N.Y. The standard internal combustion engine was removed and an 80-H.P. 1800 r.p.m electric motor installed to the clutch and transmission. The A.C. motor measured 40 inches long and 30 inches in diameter and the power leads were left standing in the air - no external power source!

    ...
    As I said, from what I've been reading over the past two days, Edison was more to the applied science and Tesla into visionary. An MIT related post about Edison says about the same thing:

    http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/edison.html

    ...Edison installed the first reliable, durable electric lights in his own labs, and later built the first public power station, in Manhattan's financial district (1882). However, Edison's DC-current system had only a three-mile range, and was later superseded by Westinghouse's and Tesla's AC-current system.

    By that time, Edison had built a new and much bigger research complex (now a National Monument) in West Orange, New Jersey. There his first project was to redesign his phonograph, in light of recent improvements by others. Edison soon marketed a wax-cylinder phonograph as a dictation machine (1888), and later, as a musical home entertainment system (1896). These commercial efforts were, by and large, failures, but Edison continued to refine his favorite invention into the 1920s.

    In 1889, an associate, William Dickson, working at Edison's direction, invented the celluloid-strip motion picture camera and projector (1889) --- whose silent movies were viewed inside the machine, through a peephole. Although Edison later broke with Dickson, George Eastman and others helped Edison to establish the basis of the motion picture industry.

    After 1911, Edison was mainly dissatisfied in his work, feeling that many of his ideas were being ignored or worse yet, stolen. Throughout the '20s, he also had poor health. He died on October 18, 1931, at the age of 84.

    In total, Edison accumulated 1,093 US patents. Only a few inventors have earned half as many. Edison inventions not mentioned above include: the printing telegraph, the electric "stencil pen," a magnetic mining process, an electrical torpedo, a synthetic rubber, and improved alkaline batteries, cement mixers, and microphones.

    It must be said that Edison used other inventors' ideas much more freely than he shared his own. For example, the wax cylinder phonograph was first patented by Chichester A. Bell and Charles Sumner Tainter (1886), whose offer of a joint venture Edison rejected; the disc "gramophone" was first patented by Emile Berliner (1887); and even the so-called "Edison Effect," the observed emission of electrons from a hot filament, was actually discovered by an Edison engineer named William J. Hammer (1883).

    But nothing can gainsay the tremendous effect that Edison's career as a whole has had on our everyday lives. By the volume, variety and spectacularity of his inventions, Edison more than any other person made it seem like no miracle was beyond the reach of modern American technology. As an inspiration to aspiring engineers and inventors, then as now, Edison is peerless. Indeed, above all others, as his Congressional Medal of Honor certificate declared: "He illuminated the path of progress by his inventions."
    Thus Tesla's quotations on Edison, two men of such different emphasis and scientific values were destined not to work together long:

    Tesla on Thomas A. Edison

    ``If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search.''

    ``I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.''

    New York Times, October 19, 1931


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    Interesting. I still say Tesla "PUNKED" Edison. Today we turn on electricity produced at the light switch by AC current, not DC which Edison was willing to shock elephants to death to prove was better. Edison was wrong...Tesla was right. "PUNKED".

    The more I keep learning about Edison in this recent research of Tesla, the less I think of him and our educational system for not teaching us the "truth".
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmett View Post
    Interesting. I still say Tesla "PUNKED" Edison. Today we turn on electricity produced at the light switch by AC current, not DC which Edison was willing to shock elephants to death to prove was better. Edison was wrong...Tesla was right. "PUNKED".

    The more I keep learning about Edison in this recent research of Tesla, the less I think of him and our educational system for not teaching us the "truth".
    From all accounts I've read regarding Edison over many years, he was a petty, cheap, vindictive and brilliant man. His inventions and the patents he held, made all of our lives better. Edison was into buying patents, not selling. Sort of the Paul McCartney of his day, science instead of music though.

    To say Tesla 'punked' Edison for being right about AC/DC is fine, in that one area. From what I've seen so far, Tesla was still in Europe while Edison was already famous and well-to-do in America, with a growing reputation in Europe. Edison reputation wasn't built from 'stealing Tesla's ideas'. In fact, one could say that since Tesla his the US from Europe with several pennies in his pocket, that Edison immediately took him into his 'factory' was pretty nice.

    The most cursory look at the men's personalities and scientific mindsets would lead a non-psychologist to recognize they wouldn't work well together. Imagine if they didn't each have the personalities given? With Tesla's ideas and Edison's work ethic, how many more ideas may have been brought to fruition?

    One alone doesn't have to be right and the other wrong. My guess is there's something here I'm missing. Tesla gets nearly as many hits from edu. search as Edison, within 10k hits. His ideas though are not the ones most studied in primary and secondary school. Inventors for the most part are studied in social science, Edison is correctly credited with incandescent light bulb and phonograph, as well as his scientific laboratory. AC/DC is discussed in science, whether or not Tesla comes up then? I wouldn't remember, though from the hits I've seen, seems that he is mentioned there. From schools with 'heavy' engineering reps: Penn, MIT, U of I, etc., lots of papers.

    Da Vinci is not credited with the 'flying machine' drawings in discussions about the Wright Brothers, though it was obvious they borrowed heavily from those drawings. However, in art classes, those drawings are credited to him and certainly there isn't an aeronautical engineer that is unaware of them. That doesn't mean "Da Vinci" punked the Wright Bros., though certainly saved them or someone else literally years in bringing the idea to fruition.

    I'm rambling now, bottom line, my thinking is along the lines of it takes several great minds, each with a variety of brilliance to make most ideas reality. What we read in texts are usually the ones that bring the idea to market.
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    Not rambling at all my dear. I'm beginning to see the brilliance of a great teacher surfacing in this regard frankly.

    CORRECTION: I believe Tesla invented the incandescent light bulb.

    I must admit that while I was subject to "some" information about Tesla by a very good teacher in school, I have been learning allot myself over the past two weeks. I was especially disturbed to learn about Edison electrocuting an elephant in an attempt to discredit Tesla's AC theories. Schools did not teach us this. I find this deploreable and unexceptable behavior. A mouse would have worked just fine.

    I know Edison made groundbreaking contributions to our way of life today. Indeed he was a very successful man by the time Tesla (younger) came to the United States. I am also aware that Tesla was borderline mad. His rantings about space aliens and recieving communications from other universes was a bit out there. Then again, I assume folks thought DaVinci was out there too and like you mentioned he made some pretty interesting predictions and drawings waaaay before his ideas could be even thought conceivable.

    I only posted this thread because I thought it interesting that a man who had made such valuable contributions was a relative unknown to most folks. In the last two weeks I have, like I tend to do, made Tesla the subject of some trivia questions to friends and folks around town. Very few knew who he was and no one knew he was the father of AC. Not a single person. I probably asked the question of 20 to 25 people. Of course everyone thought Edison was.

    In closing my final is this. Tesla seemed more interested in advancing technology for mankind. Edison seemed to be interested more in money. Both men were egotists for sure as are so many who acheive the things they did. Tesla was a bit more of a humanitarian, Edison in my opinion was an asshole. And lastly, I think of what they could have done together, had they had been able to look past the differences and shown the necessary respect for each others skills and ability. Shame!
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    I'd say kitty just "punk'd" you, emmie. Please carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a very cool converse in my honest opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!

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