Dispensationalism: Apostasy in the church

[TheSage]

Dispensationalism is a heretical teaching which has crept into most branches of christianity.

It holds jews do not need jesus. This is not what jesus or the early church fathers would have said.

This is not a conspiracy theory, for those of you will undoubtedly want to claim it as such, it is the official teaching of many confused evangelical congregations and the catholic church.

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshol...tionalism.html
It can be said that Dispensationalism defines God’s relationship with men in one of two ways due to ethnic identification. If a man is a Jew, God has a particular economy of redemption for that person, and if he is not, God has a different means to the redemption of that person. The use of the term redemption is broad, speaking to the design and implementation of salvation in its consummate usage from beginning to the conclusion of all things. This does not necessarily mean that God has a different soteriological design for Israel from the church, but rather that in the accomplishment of their salvation, God relates to Israel one way and to the church another way. Much has been made of the early charges against classic Dispensationalists; that they define two plans of salvation between God and men. Robert L. Saucy writes, “dispensationalists have more recently been careful to explain that the progression in the dispensations involves no change in the fundamental principle of salvation by grace.”2 This progress in dispensational theology is erasing the early acrimony aroused by overt statements of discontinuity in the plan of God.

Whatever form Dispensationalism takes, it is always distinguishable by this most fundamental presupposition, that it purports an abiding distinction between peoples based upon ethnicity. Historic or classic Dispensationalism held this tenet; neo or revised Dispensationalism affirmed this thought, and progressive Dispensationalism holds this presupposition. Dispensationalism is Dispensationalism because it is built upon this most fundamental presupposition that God relates to ethnic Israel one way and to all other men another.

[Gaffer]

There are lots of christian groups and sects. There's a church in KY that handles rattle snakes as proof of their beliefs and faith. There are thousands of small unaffiliated churches. Just because one group says dispensation is ok doesn't mean they all do.

[TheSage]

There are lots of christian groups and sects. There's a church in KY that handles rattle snakes as proof of their beliefs and faith. There are thousands of small unaffiliated churches. Just because one group says dispensation is ok doesn't mean they all do.

I'm saying "many do". Get over it.

[Dilloduck]

I'm saying "many do". Get over it.

As in millions--

[5stringJeff]

The Bible is clear that anyone living today (or any day after Christ's death and resurrection) would have to accept Jesus as the Messiah to receive salvation. However, the Bible is also quite clear that the Jews (i.e. the descendants of Israel) are still a people with a special covenant with God. I would disagree with classic dispensationalists, who would say that Jews gain salvation by means other than faith in Christ, but I would agree that the Jews are still a covenant people in God's eyes.

[TheSage]

The Bible is clear that anyone living today (or any day after Christ's death and resurrection) would have to accept Jesus as the Messiah to receive salvation. However, the Bible is also quite clear that the Jews (i.e. the descendants of Israel) are still a people with a special covenant with God. I would disagree with classic dispensationalists, who would say that Jews gain salvation by means other than faith in Christ, but I would agree that the Jews are still a covenant people in God's eyes.

Do the "covenant people" need christ for salvation? It seems like you're saying two opposing things, as if it makes sense somehow.

[darin]

Dispensationalism is a heretical teaching which has crept into most branches of christianity.

It holds jews do not need jesus. This is not what jesus or the early church fathers would have said.

Well, I've never heard that teaching in ANY church I've frequented. "Most" branches of Christianity? How do you define 'most branches'? It's definaletly not in the major branches I'm familiar with - those branches preach ALL have sinned, and therefore NEED to accecpt Christ as substitutional attonement for their sins.

[TheSage]

Well, I've never heard that teaching in ANY church I've frequented. "Most" branches of Christianity? How do you define 'most branches'? It's definaletly not in the major branches I'm familiar with - those branches preach ALL have sinned, and therefore NEED to accecpt Christ as substitutional attonement for their sins.

What do preachers say about jews in your church? The chosen people with an intact covenant, with a holy purpose on earth?

Christ is becoming secondary in the masonically corrupted noahide movement we call modern christianity.

Jesus repeatedly told the rabbis they were full of it.

[5stringJeff]

Christ is becoming secondary in the masonically corrupted noahide movement we call modern christianity.

Jesus repeatedly told the rabbis they were full of it.

I'll second Darin's question - what churches are saying this??

I'm beginning to think you're full of it.

[TheSage]

I'll second Darin's question - what churches are saying this??

I'm beginning to think you're full of it.

What does your church say about jews? Still the chosen people with a special purpose to bring god's law to the world?

[5stringJeff]

What does your church say about jews? Still the chosen people with a special purpose to bring god's law to the world?

Don't dodge. What churches are preaching your pet dogma of noahidism?

[darin]

What do preachers say about jews in your church? The chosen people with an intact covenant, with a holy purpose on earth?

Christ is becoming secondary in the masonically corrupted noahide movement we call modern christianity.

Jesus repeatedly told the rabbis they were full of it.

The only jews our church preaches about are ethnic-jews...you know....Jesus...Mathew...Peter...some of the pharasees are involved in some of the lessons, too.

Don't get caught up with looking for the devil, that you miss Christ.

IMO, the Jews were Chosen by God to deliver HIS message. From the time of Christ, however, ritualistic sacrifice is no longer required...ANY PERSON who accepts christ is no longer ANYTHING but "Christian". I learned that at church.