Dispensationalism: Apostasy in the church

[Nate]

There's a Unitarian Christian church across the street. I'm looking at it as I type this.

[TheSage]

There's a Unitarian Christian church across the street. I'm looking at it as I type this.

yeah. They're a fraud.

[5stringJeff]

Do the "covenant people" need christ for salvation? It seems like you're saying two opposing things, as if it makes sense somehow.

Yes, everyone needs Christ for salvation - that's clear from the Bible. But it's also clear that the Jews are still God's chosen people, which is a covenant He never invalidated. That covenant wasn't/isn't a special source of salvation, it's just a special relationship.

[5stringJeff]

There's a Unitarian Christian church across the street. I'm looking at it as I type this.

Any church that doesn't preach Christ as the source of salvation isn't Christian.

[TheSage]

Yes, everyone needs Christ for salvation - that's clear from the Bible. But it's also clear that the Jews are still God's chosen people, which is a covenant He never invalidated. That covenant wasn't/isn't a special source of salvation, it's just a special relationship.

I disagree. The covenant was cancelled by their rejection of christ. I understand the political pressure to please the jews by deforming your faith, but for christ's sake and your own, resist.

[Nate]

Any church that doesn't preach Christ as the source of salvation isn't Christian.

Well DUH! Obviously only White Protestants like yourself and TheSage are real Christians

[5stringJeff]

Please show me the Biblical proof that God invalidated His covenant with the Jewish people.

[5stringJeff]

Well DUH! Obviously only White Protestants like yourself and TheSage are real Christians

Don't take my word for it. Take Jesus' word for it: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

[Nate]

Don't take my word for it. Take Jesus' word for it: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

Do you interpret the bible literally?

[TheSage]

Please show me the Biblical proof that God invalidated His covenant with the Jewish people.

I think it's implied since there is a new covenant in christ. I know the jews and their masonic/noahide flunkies don't buy that, but that's my belief. I know you're a dispensationalist, and that that's popular, but that's not what I believe.

[5stringJeff]

I think it's implied since there is a new covenant in christ. I know the jews and their masonic/noahide flunkies don't buy that, but that's my belief. I know you're a dispensationalist, and that that's popular, but that's not what I believe.

First, you don't know that I'm a dispensationalist. In fact, if you would read post #5, you'd see that I disagree with the primary tenet of dispensationalism (that there are more than one ways to salvation). Second, God's covenant of salvation through Christ is exactly that - a covenant of salvation. God's covenant with the Jews was and is not a covenant of salvation. While the Mosiac Laws were no longer needed after Christ's fulfillment of the Law, God never said that He was terminating His covenant with the Jews.

[TheSage]

First, you don't know that I'm a dispensationalist. In fact, if you would read post #5, you'd see that I disagree with the primary tenet of dispensationalism (that there are more than one ways to salvation). Second, God's covenant of salvation through Christ is exactly that - a covenant of salvation. God's covenant with the Jews was and is not a covenant of salvation. While the Mosiac Laws were no longer needed after Christ's fulfillment of the Law, God never said that He was terminating His covenant with the Jews.

Again. I think it's implied that since christ brought a new covenant, anyone who rejects that is not longer covered. What does a covenant mean if it's not "salvific"? Is like a lay away plan? I think you're nuancing your way into noahide servitude.

[5stringJeff]

What does a covenant mean if it's not "salvific"? Is like a lay away plan? I think you're nuancing your way into noahide servitude.

God isn't just concerned about our salvation, although He is quite concerned about that. Nowhere does God say that He only deals with covenants concerning salvation.

And I have no more reason to support noahide anything than I do supporting dhimmi anything.

[TheSage]

God isn't just concerned about our salvation, although He is quite concerned about that. Nowhere does God say that He only deals with covenants concerning salvation.

And I have no more reason to support noahide anything than I do supporting dhimmi anything.

What other kinds of covenants are there?

[avatar4321]

I disagree. The covenant was cancelled by their rejection of christ. I understand the political pressure to please the jews by deforming your faith, but for christ's sake and your own, resist.

I disagree completely. It was the Jewish leaders who made the new covenant with Christ, atleast that's what Matthew implies. Although, they didn't intend to do so.

Also, the Bible itself mentions different dispensations of time. You might not like the concept, but the scriptures are pretty clear that there are different dispensations, even if they don't explain it clearly.

Of course, it doesn't really matter since our friend was banned. But i just cant let things like that go by without saying something.