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    Default President of the United States directs a private citizen to quit his job

    If government chooses not to abide by the limits imposed on it by the Constitution, then that government has NO limits.

    For those of you who believe that "It was best for the country that he step down, so that makes it OK for govt to tell him to leave" is an acceptable excuse, see the first sentence in this post.

    Let's see... The Obama admin chose to decide which comapnies could fail and which couldn't, then made it so by doling out a trillion or more US dollars to the lucky ones.

    Then they decided to control the salaries of some of the employees. Not many... but how long will that limit be in place?

    Now they've decided to take the responsibility of deciding who can work where. Again, they haven't applied it to many... yet.

    Keep in mind, though, that now that they've successfully violated the 10th amendment's prohibition on interfering with a private company's internal operations (salaries, hiring & firing etc.), we no longer have a government that is held back by the law. Instead we have a government that does not interfere even further, only because it has decided on its own not to do so... for now. This is the difference between the "Rule of law" and the "Rule of men". And the U.S. government has come down firmly on the wrong side of that difference.

    Remind me again why I should NOT think we are careening headlong into a socialistic form of government?

    When you ignore the limits impose on the American government by the Constitution, you wind up with a government that has NO limits. We're not there yet... but the light at the end of the tunnel, is looking more and more like an approaching train. An EXPRESS train.

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    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html

    GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest

    by MIKE ALLEN & JOSH GERSTEIN
    3/29/09 5:23 PM EDT
    Updated: 3/29/09 7:53 PM EDT

    The White House confirms Wagoner is leaving at the government's behest.

    The Obama administration asked Rick Wagoner, the chairman and CEO of General Motors, to step down and he agreed, a White House official said.

    On Monday, President Barack Obama is to unveil his plans for the auto industry, including a response to a request for additional funds by GM and Chrysler. The plan is based on recommendations from the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry, headed by the Treasury Department.

    The White House confirmed Wagoner was leaving at the government's behest after The Associated Press reported his immediate departure, without giving a reason.

    General Motors issued a vague statement Sunday night that did not officially confirm Wagoner's departure.

    "We are anticipating an announcement soon from the Administration regarding the restructuring of the U.S. auto industry. We continue to work closely with members of the Task Force and it would not be appropriate for us to speculate on the content of any announcement," the company said.

    The surprise announcement about the classically iconic American corporation is perhaps the most vivid sign yet of the tectonic change in the relationship between business and government in this era of subsidies and bailouts.

    Wagoner has been CEO for 8 years and at GM for more than 30. It is not yet clear who would replace him, or what role the administration would play in that process.

    Industry sources had said the White House planned very tough medicine in Monday's announcement, which turned out to be an understatement. And it went to the very top. The measures to be imposed by the government will have a dramatic effect on workers, unions, suppliers, bondholders, shareholders, retirees and the communities where plants are located, the sources said.


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    When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors! The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors!
    No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.

    The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.
    Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

    The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

    That's still true today.
    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
    No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.



    Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

    The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

    That's still true today.
    What you call excuses I call reasons.
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    Hopefully, Obama will next ask the leaders of the UAW to step down as well. Considering they share a part of the responsibility for the hard economic times the American Car Manufacturer's are facing as compared to their foreign counterparts in this country.

    Fair is fair right. If we ask the head of GM to step down because he is to blame for the companies tough times, then too should the head of the UAW because of his contributing to the companies situations.

    I will wait ever expectantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtdmski View Post
    Hopefully, Obama will next ask the leaders of the UAW to step down as well. Considering they share a part of the responsibility for the hard economic times the American Car Manufacturer's are facing as compared to their foreign counterparts in this country.

    Fair is fair right. If we ask the head of GM to step down because he is to blame for the companies tough times, then too should the head of the UAW because of his contributing to the companies situations.

    I will wait ever expectantly.

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    It does sound fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors! The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.
    Tax payer money shouldnt have been used to begin with.

    You let them bail the companies out. Then when they seize more power and decide to determine who is fired and who gets bonuses or not, you act as though the President is simply some innocent bystander trying to save us from the evil company.

    Yet while your distracted with the evil capitalist, you ignore the government seizing even more power and even justify it! This is suicidal.

    Government doesnt relinquish power it's wrongfully seized without alot of blood being shed.
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    Welcome to the Undivided Communist States of America..and the "Obama" is now our, DEAR LEADER..

    heil Obama

    April better hope they don't come after his business next..I wonder if he'll be cheering and applauding then.?
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    That this discussion is even necessary shows just how far America has fallen.

    This is complete insanity with all these bailouts and now they are going to dictate who can and cant run businesses. What arrogance, what audacity this administration has, its despicable.
    "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephanie View Post
    Welcome to the Undivided Communist States of America..and the "Obama" is now our, DEAR LEADER..

    heil Obama

    April better hope they don't come after his business next..I wonder if he'll be cheering and applauding then.?
    I'll tell ya that they can have it as it is just about bankrupt. So are many of my contacts in construction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crin63 View Post
    That this discussion is even necessary shows just how far America has fallen.

    This is complete insanity with all these bailouts and now they are going to dictate who can and cant run businesses. What arrogance, what audacity this administration has, its despicable.
    I find it refreshing to have some ethical newby cleaning house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I'll tell ya that they can have it as it is just about bankrupt. So are many of my contacts in construction.
    And who's fault is that?
    You should just donate it to the state, I'm sure they can run it better..That would be the right thing to do for the collective, wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
    No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.



    Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

    The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

    That's still true today.
    So, every time a bank goes in to receivership at the hands of the FDIC...That's unconstitutional?

    Asking a CEO to step down is not in the same league as scooping citizens off the street and holding them indefinitely, torturing them, creating extrajudicial legal systems, domestic spying...those are the tools of a dictator. Wait a minute...George W. Bush did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    So, every time a bank goes in to receivership at the hands of the FDIC...That's unconstitutional?

    Asking a CEO to step down is not in the same league as scooping citizens off the street and holding them indefinitely, torturing them, creating extrajudicial legal systems, domestic spying...those are the tools of a dictator. Wait a minute...George W. Bush did that.
    there's a difference.....the things you complain of never happened, the thing we complained of just did......
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    How many people at AIG have been told/forced to quit?
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