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    Default Obama Administration quietly expands Bush's legal defense of wiretapping program

    Where are all the libs who wanted Bush impeached and put on trial for his wiretapping program?

    It is amazing the protection a "D" at the end of a politicans name can provide with proud memebrs of the kook left. I have not sen anything in the NY Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, or even CNN about this



    Obama Administration quietly expands Bush's legal defense of wiretapping programJohn Byrne
    Published: Tuesday April 7, 2009


    In a stunning defense of President George W. Bush's warrantless wiretapping program, President Barack Obama has broadened the government's legal argument for immunizing his Administration and government agencies from lawsuits surrounding the National Security Agency's eavesdropping efforts.

    In fact, a close read of a government filing last Friday reveals that the Obama Administration has gone beyond any previous legal claims put forth by former President Bush.

    Responding to a lawsuit filed by a civil liberties group, the Justice Department argued that the government was protected by "sovereign immunity" from lawsuits because of a little-noticed clause in the Patriot Act. The government's legal filing can be read here (PDF).

    For the first time, the Obama Administration's brief contends that government agencies cannot be sued for wiretapping American citizens even if there was intentional violation of US law. They maintain that the government can only be sued if the wiretaps involve "willful disclosure" -- a higher legal bar.

    "A 'willful violation' in Section 223(c(1) refers to the 'willful disclosure' of intelligence information by government agents, as described in Section 223(a)(3) and (b)(3), and such disclosures by the Government are the only actions that create liability against the United States," Obama Assistant Attorney General Michael Hertz wrote (page 5).

    Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is suing the government over the warrantless wiretapping program, notes that the government has previously argued that the government had "sovereign immunity" against civil action under the FISA statute. But he says that this is the first time that they've invoked changes to the Patriot Act in claiming the US government is immune from claims of illegal spying under any other federal surveillance statute.

    "They are arguing this based on changes to the law made by the USA PATRIOT Act, Section 223," Bankston said in an email to Raw Story. "We've never been fans of 223--it made it much harder to sue the U.S. for illegal spying, see an old write-up of mine at: http://w2.eff.org/patriot/sunset/223.php --but no one's ever suggested before that it wholly immunized the U.S. government against suits under all the surveillance statutes."

    Salon columnist and constitutional scholar Glenn Greenwald -- who is generally supportive of progressive interpretations of the law -- says the Obama Administration has "invented a brand new claim" of immunity from spying litigation.

    "In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad 'state secrets' privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and -- even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal -- you are barred from suing them unless they 'willfully disclose' to the public what they have learned," Greenwald wrote Monday.

    He also argues that the Justice Department's response is exclusively a product of the new Administration, noting that three months have elapsed since President Bush left office.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_...egal_0407.html


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    Yet another 180 from King Hussien.
    PRAIRIE FIRE by William Ayers: Obama's guide to destory America
    "Maybe I missed that part of the Constitution"--Joe Steel
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    Yet another 180 from King Hussien.
    Perhaps you might read the papers before spiting out words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Perhaps you might read the papers before spiting out words.
    Well a link? Seems there was one in op, you have better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Well a link? Seems there was one in op, you have better?

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    A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I do not have sound.
    Well then you use a sucky system, no problem here.


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    In November of 2008 President Obama was elected to the office of President of the United States by me, and millions of other Americas, on a platform of hope and change. But recently, it seems to be more a case of "Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss".

    It began with the reluctance of the Obama administration to live up to its duties in investigating the Bush administration for its apparent violation of US and international human rights law regarding the abuse of detainees in US custody. Now the administration seems to not only be siding with the late, unlamented Bush administration, but are actively seeking to expand the authority they claimed to conduct domestic surveillance operations on US citizens without a warrant! This in response to the lawsuit filed by the <a href=http://www.eff.org/press/releases>Electronic Frontier Foundation</a>.

    The motion submitted by the DOJ does nothing short of gutting the Fourth Amendment, and all in the name of "state secrets" and "sovereign immunity". It should not be necessary for me...a layman...to point out that a right unenforced is no right at all. Secondly, using the doctrine of "state secrets" and "sovereign immunity" as a means of preventing the investigation of a crime is no better than complicity in that crime. And thirdly, one does not support and defend the Constitution by gutting it's provisions

    Make no mistake, the Obama administration has been doing some good things. But, as we said in the Navy, "One 'Awww shit!' wipes out all of your 'Attaboy!'s". In this case the Obama administration has a MAJOR "Awww shit!" on its hands with this motion to dismiss the lawsuit by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I do not have sound.
    Follow my link in the previous post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    In November of 2008 President Obama was elected to the office of President of the United States by me, and millions of other Americas, on a platform of hope and change. But recently, it seems to be more a case of "Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss".

    It began with the reluctance of the Obama administration to live up to its duties in investigating the Bush administration for its apparent violation of US and international human rights law regarding the abuse of detainees in US custody. Now the administration seems to not only be siding with the late, unlamented Bush administration, but are actively seeking to expand the authority they claimed to conduct domestic surveillance operations on US citizens without a warrant! This in response to the lawsuit filed by the <a href=http://www.eff.org/press/releases>Electronic Frontier Foundation</a>.

    The motion submitted by the DOJ does nothing short of gutting the Fourth Amendment, and all in the name of "state secrets" and "sovereign immunity". It should not be necessary for me...a layman...to point out that a right unenforced is no right at all. Secondly, using the doctrine of "state secrets" and "sovereign immunity" as a means of preventing the investigation of a crime is no better than complicity in that crime. And thirdly, one does not support and defend the Constitution by gutting it's provisions

    Make no mistake, the Obama administration has been doing some good things. But, as we said in the Navy, "One 'Awww shit!' wipes out all of your 'Attaboy!'s". In this case the Obama administration has a MAJOR "Awww shit!" on its hands with this motion to dismiss the lawsuit by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
    BP it is something watching the liberal mind work and listening to what is important to them

    You support Obama's promise to release terrorists who want you and your family dead by closing GITMO - yet you lose your hardon when Obama will not toss a former US President in jail for defending America from those same terrorists

    It probably never entered your closed mind that since Obama is now President he knows what pres Bush knew about the terrorists and their operations - and Obama now knows Pres Bush was CORRECT in his actions to defend America


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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Perhaps you might read the papers before spiting out words.
    Where are the terrorist coddeling Obamanotswho constantly whining about Bush's wiretaps now?

    The one's who said this was such an intrusion on liberty that it couldn't be tolerated?

    Suddenly they've found themselves having no problem tolerating it


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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    BP it is something watching the liberal mind work and listening to what is important to them

    You support Obama's promise to release terrorists who want you and your family dead by closing GITMO - yet you lose your hardon when Obama will not toss a former US President in jail for defending America from those same terrorists

    It probably never entered your closed mind that since Obama is now President he knows what pres Bush knew about the terrorists and their operations - and Obama now knows Pres Bush was CORRECT in his actions to defend America
    And just like Bush...one does not support and defend the Constitution by gutting it's provisions...That's something you'll never understand. It doesn't matter if it's US citizens or terrorists the law applies to all or it applies to none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    And just like Bush...one does not support and defend the Constitution by gutting it's provisions...That's something you'll never understand. It doesn't matter if it's US citizens or terrorists the law applies to all or it applies to none.
    I understand perfectly BP. Your hate for fellow Americans who have a different POV is greater then the hate you have for terrorists that want you and your family DEAD

    In your mind conservatives are bigger threat to America then the killers who attacked the nation on 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    In November of 2008 President Obama was elected to the office of President of the United States by me, and millions of other Americas, on a platform of hope and change. But recently, it seems to be more a case of "Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss".....
    Wow a liberal who doesn't defend Obama. Watch your back pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    Wow a liberal who doesn't defend Obama. Watch your back pal.
    BP might get a dead fish mailed to him from the White House


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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    I understand perfectly BP. Your hate for fellow Americans who have a different POV is greater then the hate you have for terrorists that want you and your family DEAD

    In your mind conservatives are bigger threat to America then the killers who attacked the nation on 9-11
    Go pack your ass with sand Red. Perhaps it will stop the flux of pure shit you post.
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