Did Pelosi Committ a felony?

[Doniston]

Could I interest you in some oceanfront property in Arizona?

DON'T SAY THAT When California drops off. Arizona WILL be beachfront.(My property in the Majave Desert will be under water.)

[lily]

You first. Name one that is true.

“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”

This was taken out of previous speeches, but put back in the SOTU speech.

[Hobbit]

This was taken out of previous speeches, but put back in the SOTU speech.

Uh, Saddam was trying to get uranium from Africa. As far as we know, he didn't succeed, but he was definitely trying. I mean, even Joe Wilson says he was setting up 'imports' with Niger, and the only thing they export in any kind of quantity is uranium.

[loosecannon]

Uh, Saddam was trying to get uranium from Africa. As far as we know, he didn't succeed, but he was definitely trying. I mean, even Joe Wilson says he was setting up 'imports' with Niger, and the only thing they export in any kind of quantity is uranium.

No actually what Joe said is that they sent a small delegation once, who was rebuffed, and many years ago.

Trying is an active tense verb.

[lily]

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[glockmail]

OK. JUST one

He misled the congress and the american people on the reasons to go to war.....

Bullshit. Your heros Clinton and Kerry said the exact same things.

[glockmail]

This was taken out of previous speeches, but put back in the SOTU speech.

What part of that was not true?

[lily]

What part of that was not true?

The entire quote.

[nevadamedic]

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Huh?

[nevadamedic]

Bullshit. Your heros Clinton and Kerry said the exact same things.

Don't forget Carter as well!!!!!!!

[glockmail]

The entire quote.

So you assert that: The British Government had not learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa?

[lily]

So you assert that: The British Government had not learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa?

Well sure.........if you want to consider the "information" was taken from a badly forged document.

[glockmail]

Well sure.........if you want to consider the "information" was taken from a badly forged document.

[lily]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.
From David Ensor
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, March 14, 2003 Posted: 10:43 PM EST (0343 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments
said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been
dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General
Mohamed ElBaradei, indicated that Iraq might have tried to buy 500 tons of
uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in
his presentation to the U.N. Security Council outlining the Bush
administration's case against Iraq.

"I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely
embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.

Responding to questions about the documents from lawmakers, Powell said, "It
was provided in good faith to the inspectors and our agency received it in
good faith, not participating ... in any way in any falsification
activities."

"It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is
inaccurate, fine," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.

"We don't believe that all the issues surrounding nuclear weapons have been
resolved [in Iraq]," he said.

How were forgeries missed?
But the discovery raises questions such as why the apparent forgeries were
given to inspectors and why U.S. and British intelligence agents did not
recognize that they were not authentic.

Sources said that one of the documents was a letter discussing the uranium
deal supposedly signed by Niger President Tandja Mamadou. The sources
described the signature as "childlike" and said that it clearly was not
Mamadou's.

Another, written on paper from a 1980s military government in Niger, bears
the date of October 2000 and the signature of a man who by then had not been
foreign minister of Niger in 14 years, sources said.

"The IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts that these
documents -- which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium
transactions between Iraq and Niger -- are not in fact authentic," ElBaradei
said in his March 7 presentation to the U.N. Security Council.

Close said the CIA should have known better.

"They have tremendously sophisticated and experienced people in their
technical services division, who wouldn't allow a forgery like this to get
by," Close said. "I mean it's just mystifying to me. I can't understand it."

A U.S. intelligence official said that the documents were passed on to the
International Atomic Energy Agency within days of being received with the
comment, " 'We don't know the provenance of this information, but here it
is.' "

If a mistake was made, a U.S. official suggested, it was more likely due to
incompetence not malice.

"That's a convenient explanation, but it doesn't satisfy me," Close said.
"Incompetence I have not seen in those agencies. I've seen plenty of malice,
but I've never seen incompetence."

Who made the forgeries?
But the question remains -- who is responsible for the apparent forgeries?

Experts said the suspects include the intelligence services of Iraq's
neighbors, other pro-war nations, Iraqi opposition groups or simply con men.

Most rule out the United States, Great Britain or Israel because they said
those countries' intelligence services would have been able to make much
more convincing forgeries if they had chosen to do so.

President Bush even highlighted the documents in his State of the Union
address on January 28.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought
significant quantities of uranium from Africa," Bush said.

U.S. officials said that the assertion by the president and British
government was also based on additional evidence of Iraqi efforts to obtain
uranium from another African country. But officials would not say which
nation and a knowledgable U.S. official said that there was not much to that
evidence either.

[glockmail]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/

Interesting....

You do realize the source of this article is the opinion of one person: Ray Close. Not to attack the messenger, but to simply understand what other opinions that he may have:

http://www.counterpunch.org/close08262006.html Ray Close was a top CIA analyst in the Near East Division. He is now a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He can be reached at close@counterpunch.org

http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/000967.html VIPS does not seem to have a website, but its email is vips@counterpunch.org, and their open letter appears to have been published at CounterPunch (run by Alexander Cockburn, the Nation columnist), an outfit whose staple is stuff comparing Bush to Hitler. VIPS also published an open letter in opposition to the war at Common Dreams back in February. The spokesman for VIPS is Raymond McGovern, a retired CIA analyst. McGovern's email is also at CounterPunch. He is giving a briefing today with Rep. Dennis Kucinich. McGovern has compared the Iraq war to Vietnam, even saying that it could lead to nuclear war. He has charged that if WMDs are found in Iraq, they may well have been planted. He believes Tenet's job is safe because if Tenet were fired, he would reveal that the White House ignored intelligence warnings pre-9/11. McGovern has urged CIA analysts to illegally release classified documents to show what he believes to be true, specifically citing Daniel Ellsberg.
Another member of the VIPS steering committee is William Christison, who among other things believes that the Bush administration is attempting to colonize the Middle East, jointly with Israel. He believes that the war on terror is being used to turn the US into a military dictatorship. He is also a backer of the left-wing UrgentCall, along with people such as Noam Chomsky, Barbara Kingsolver, Julian Bond, and Jonathan Schell.