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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Interesting...Any libs care do defend this Pelosi Idiot??
    This is such OLD news? Did you forget the REPUBLICANS traveling with her? DID you forget that Denny Hastert made a similar trip to Columbia during Goatboy Clinton's administration? Is this the best you can do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    This is such OLD news? Did you forget the REPUBLICANS traveling with her? DID you forget that Denny Hastert made a similar trip to Columbia during Goatboy Clinton's administration? Is this the best you can do?
    so they are all guilty....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    so they are all guilty....
    If Pelosi committed a crime, why didn't Alberto Gonzalez file charges...Just more trumped up bullshit by the right-wing spin machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    If Pelosi committed a crime, why didn't Alberto Gonzalez file charges...Just more trumped up bullshit by the right-wing spin machine.
    Thats par for Democrat politics, not GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    Thats par for Democrat politics, not GOP.
    Now THAT's funny! Your sense of irony is improving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullypulpit View Post
    Now THAT's funny! Your sense of irony is improving.
    Funny but true.

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    interesting that the Logan Act has been around since 1799 and NOT ONCE has anyone been convicted of violating it. I wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    so they are all guilty....
    Very nice new avatar. Almost as attractive as mine.
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    I am trying to understand where this idea of Bush being in charge of foreign policy comes from.
    Here is what Thomas Jefferson had to say:

    "Congress [must] be called [if there] is a justifiable cause of war; and as the Executive cannot decide the question of war on the affirmative side, neither ought it to do so on the negative side by preventing the competent body from deliberating on the question." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1793. (*) ME 9:33

    "The question of war being placed by the Constitution with the Legislature alone, respect to that [makes] it [the Executive's] duty to restrain the operations of our militia to those merely defensive." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft for Presidential Message, 1792. (*)

    "Considering that Congress alone is constitutionally invested with the power of changing our condition from peace to war, I have thought it my duty [as President] to await their authority for using force [against aggression] in any degree which could be avoided. I have barely instructed the officers stationed in the neighborhood of the aggressions to protect our citizens from violence, to patrol within the borders actually delivered to us, and not to go out of them but when necessary to repel an inroad or to rescue a citizen or his property." --Thomas Jefferson: Confidential Message on Spanish Spoilations, 1805. ME 3:400

    "[I] opposed the right of the President to declare anything future on the question, Shall there or shall there not be war?" --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793. ME 1:404

    "The power of declaring war being with the Legislature, the Executive should do nothing necessarily committing them to decide for war in preference of non-intercourse, which will be preferred by a great many." --Thomas Jefferson to George Clinton, 1807. ME 11:258

    "The making reprisal on a nation is a very serious thing. Remonstrance and refusal of satisfaction ought to precede; and when reprisal follows, it is considered as an act of war, and never yet failed to produce it in the case of a nation able to make war; besides, if the case were important enough to require reprisal, and ripe for that step, Congress must be called on to take it; the right of reprisal being expressly lodged with them by the Constitution, and not with the Executive." --Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on the Capture of a British Vessel, 1793. ME 3:250

    http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/...s/jeff1475.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    interesting that the Logan Act has been around since 1799 and NOT ONCE has anyone been convicted of violating it. I wonder why.
    Same with Presidential impeachments. Congress doesn't have the balls to go all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    Same with Presidential impeachments. Congress doesn't have the balls to go all the way.
    Politicians may say shitty things about each other but they know full well which side of their bread has the butter on it. If they piss someone off by holding them accountable the exact thing could be coming right back at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Politicians may say shitty things about each other but they know full well which side of their bread has the butter on it. If they piss someone off by holding them accountable the exact thing could be coming right back at them.
    That's right- its all about power with them.

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