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    Default Author: At-home moms should work instead

    I kinda agree. Of course it's each individuals own personal choice but if woman don't continue to make strides in the workplace it will cause problems for later generations of woman who want to.

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    NEW YORK - "Something is very wrong with the way American women are trying to live their lives," the late Betty Friedan wrote in "The Feminine Mystique," her groundbreaking 1963 book attacking the idea that a husband and children were all a woman needed for fulfillment.

    That book effectively launched the modern women's movement. But more than four decades later, writer Leslie Bennetts is trying to sound a very similar message. In "The Feminine Mistake" — the title's no accident — she argues that many young mothers have forgotten Friedan's message, embracing a 21st-century version of the 1950s stay-at-home ideal that could imperil their economic future as well as their happiness.

    Needless to say, the book isn't going down smoothly with everyone — especially mothers who've chosen to stay home with their children.

    "She's stereotyping stay-at-home moms," says an annoyed Debbie Newcomer, mother of a 14-month-old baby in Richmond, Texas. "This is my personal decision. I'm a better mom by staying at home."

    Bennetts says she never intended to issue the latest salvo in the "Mommy Wars" — that long-running, angst- and guilt-ridden debate over whether mothers should stay home with their children. And she says she's surprised by the reaction.

    "The stay-at-home moms are burning up the blogosphere denouncing me," she mused over coffee this week. "They're saying I must be divorced, childless, bitter, lonely and angry to be writing this." (Bennetts, a writer for Vanity Fair magazine, has two children with her husband, a fellow journalist.) "Clearly, I've struck a nerve."

    Bennetts says she merely wanted to present factual evidence that there are great risks involved when a woman gives up economic self-sufficiency — risks she may not be thinking of during those early years of blissful, exhausting parenting.

    Divorce. A husband losing his job. A husband dying. All of those, Bennetts warns, could be catastrophic for a woman and her children. And if the woman decides she'll get back to her career later, once the kids are ready? Stop dreaming, Bennetts says — a woman takes a huge salary hit after a relatively short time of being absent from the work force — that is, if she can get back in at all.

    The author's arguments ring true to Anita Jevne, a mother in Eau Claire, Wis. A medical technologist who's worked for the past 28 years, Jevne says she's tried to stress to her daughters, now 16 and 19, that they need to be financially independent: "You can't assume a man is going to take care of you."

    When Jevne's husband was hurt four years ago at the salvage yard where he'd worked since he was 16, the family had to depend on Anita's income while he recovered and worked toward getting a new job. "If I hadn't gone to school and gotten a degree, if I had stayed home, we would have been in big trouble," she says.

    Beyond the financial necessity, Jevne always enjoyed having a world outside the home to be part of. "You're part of a community," she says. "You're giving something." That's the second message Bennetts says she's trying to impart — that there's a crucial sense of self-worth to be gained outside the home.

    Some women find her views condescending, saying they deny the value of childcare in the home and assume that stay-at-home mothers haven't put enough thought into their decisions.

    "I objected to her saying we haven't thought it out," says Newcomer, the Texas mother who saw Bennetts interviewed on NBC's "Today" this week, but hasn't read the book.

    A college graduate and a former financial analyst for a casino, she said she's certainly considered the consequences of staying home with her daughter, and has made contingency financial plans. "And I completely understand that when I go back, it's going to be a lot harder to get a job," she says. "I know I'll have to start from the ground up."

    Newcomer doesn't buy Bennetts' contention that because children are young for so short a time, it's foolish to give up an entire career in exchange for, at most, 15 years at home.

    "I look at it the other way," says Newcomer. "They're only young once. So, how much time can I spend with them and make them better for society?"

    When Cara Boswell watched the "Today" interview along with her husband, they discussed it for a long time afterwards. "I found it kind of insulting," she said.

    Boswell, 30, of Lakeland, Fla., was in college when she became pregnant with the first of her four children. "I feel they need me now," she says. But she's optimistic she'll have options in the work force down the road. "I don't feel panicked," she says. "I really feel the author was too bleak."

    One point Bennetts illustrates in her book is how money plays a role in the "opt-out" phenomenon (women choosing to leave the work force): some affluent, highly educated women are doing it because, essentially, they can — it's a sign of wealth.

    But Bennetts has also been criticized for speaking only about this small percentage of affluent women.

    "The author and the writers who cover the book brand at-home moms as a bunch of Pilates-class taking, regular pedicure planning women with nothing else to do but pick out window treatments," wrote Jen Singer on her blog for stay-at-home moms, MommaSaid.

    Bennetts says her book is about all women — those who work at McDonald's as well as those with Harvard law degrees. "The benefits of work were really clear at all levels," she says.

    She's disappointed by how difficult it is to write anything these days about women's lives. "Women are so defensive about their choices that many seem to have closed their minds entirely," she says.

    But Singer, of the MommaSaid blog, acknowledged the book has a point. "Too many at-home moms don't have financial backup," she wrote. "A friend of mine cashed in everything that was in her name to put into a home renovation. So if hubby leaves her, she's got no liquid funds in her name to fall back on."

    Yet she added: "Why is there a 'wrong' and a 'right' way to mother in the U.S.? I will pick up the book and read it ... but I'll probably curse a lot."

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    Yeah heaven forbid a woman take joy in being a mother. How evil of her!

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    Choosing to stay home and raise your own child instead of dropping them off and letting someone else do it for you should be applauded.

    Personnally I took 5 yrs off and then went back to work part-time. I don't regret that at all. When children are young they deserve to have time with their parents. I feel sorry for the babies (a few months old) I see at my sons daycare.

    If a family can afford it why not stay at home????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Yeah heaven forbid a woman take joy in being a mother. How evil of her!
    Continued attack on the traditional family. They won't stop until Western civilization is dead.
    America: White people footing the bill for a party they're not allowed to attend.

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    Each family has to decide what is best for their family, and whatever decision they make - whether for Mom to stay home or get a job - deserves respect from the rest of us.

    Oh, and the stay at home moms DO work!

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    But Singer, of the MommaSaid blog, acknowledged the book has a point. "Too many at-home moms don't have financial backup," she wrote.
    If you strip away the agendas from both sides, and all the emotion, this is the most important point. And I agree with it. In fact, my husband and I had this very discussion at breakfast yesterday.
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    SHe wonders why woman are a little defensive about her book? She has no business deciding what is right for each individual family. We don't need her help frankly.

    I also notice the "don't depend on a man" message here. Should we all work and give up oour kids early childhood years just in case hubby decides to leave? Why live like that. Her book is useless. Every woman makes a choice about what is best for her and her family,and this woman has no right to say she needs to think about that decision. If a woman can stay home....why not? Daycares these days can be atrocious. Not to mention,byt the time you pay for childcare,sometimes going to work isn't worth it.

    I have worked part time since my 12 year old son was born. I have been lucky enough to have a mom that has watched my kids for me. My daughter wil be going into the first grade next year which is when I will go full time. Financially it's a must. I would never give back all the fleld trips I got to go on,helping out in the classroom,and being home when my son got home from school(which I will try to do for my daughter as well). I think for most women,kidsand family are the number 1 priority. There is nothing wrong with that.

    With all that,if a woman wants to work full time,that is none of my business. I see nothing wrong with having a career. Just don't do it because a feminist tells you your supposed too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdzeye View Post
    Each family has to decide what is best for their family, and whatever decision they make - whether for Mom to stay home or get a job - deserves respect from the rest of us.

    Oh, and the stay at home moms DO work!
    Agreed and AMEN!
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    Newcomer doesn't buy Bennetts' contention that because children are young for so short a time, it's foolish to give up an entire career in exchange for, at most, 15 years at home.
    The mindset illustrated above is what I find disgusting. For one thing--- career v/s relationship... Is that REALLY a hard decision? The relationship should be given precedence.

    But, that isn't the disgusting part. What's disgusting is that it's all about the WOMAN, what the WOMAN wants, not about what's best for the CHILD. If people bring children into this world, they need to grow up and put the needs of the helpless over their own needs/wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienna View Post
    The mindset illustrated above is what I find disgusting. For one thing--- career v/s relationship... Is that REALLY a hard decision? The relationship should be given precedence.

    But, that isn't the disgusting part. What's disgusting is that it's all about the WOMAN, what the WOMAN wants, not about what's best for the CHILD. If people bring children into this world, they need to grow up and put the needs of the helpless over their own needs/wants.

    I totally agree,nienna. I wonder if this woman even thinks about the consequneces to the children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krisy View Post
    I totally agree,nienna. I wonder if this woman even thinks about the consequneces to the children.
    I know that not all women are lucky enough to have a choice about working or not. And I think it's great if a woman keeps her skills updated for when she reenters the work force, while still staying at home with the kids. Or working part-time. Whatever the involvement in work, the KIDS' needs should be considered FIRST.

    Also, what the heck??? Why SHOULDN'T a woman and young children be financially dependent on a man? People gripe about deadbeat dads, and how men are just sperm donors, but I think many times, the message sent to men is "we don't need you." I DO need my husband. If anything happened to him, I would go to work, I would try to do my best by my kids, but there is something my husband can give to my kids that I CAN'T. He is their FATHER, and no matter what, I can't be that for them. Also, I need my husband. I need his love and help and support. I would NEVER want to do this job alone, or push him off to the side of the picture.
    Blessed be Your name, when the sun's shining down on me, when the world's "all as it should be," blessed be Your name!
    Blessed be Your name on the road marked with suffering, though there's pain in the offering, blessed be Your name!
    Every blessing You pour out I'll turn back to praise. When the darkness closes in, Lord, still I will say...
    Blessed be the name of the Lord!
    Blessed be Your name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienna View Post
    I know that not all women are lucky enough to have a choice about working or not. And I think it's great if a woman keeps her skills updated for when she reenters the work force, while still staying at home with the kids. Or working part-time. Whatever the involvement in work, the KIDS' needs should be considered FIRST.

    Also, what the heck??? Why SHOULDN'T a woman and young children be financially dependent on a man? People gripe about deadbeat dads, and how men are just sperm donors, but I think many times, the message sent to men is "we don't need you." I DO need my husband. If anything happened to him, I would go to work, I would try to do my best by my kids, but there is something my husband can give to my kids that I CAN'T. He is their FATHER, and no matter what, I can't be that for them. Also, I need my husband. I need his love and help and support. I would NEVER want to do this job alone, or push him off to the side of the picture.
    Neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man.

    The idea that men and women can somehow exist independently is a myth. We need each other plain and simple. It's that myth that we shouldnt that is leading to the destruction of society.

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    "Something is very wrong with the way American women are trying to live their lives," the late Betty Friedan wrote in "The Feminine Mystique," her groundbreaking 1963 book attacking the idea that a husband and children were all a woman needed for fulfillment.
    I love how this woman sits on her ponificating ass, collecting revenues from her book, which more than likely she got to do from the comfort of her own home, telling women who have no choice in this society where two paychecks are a must, that they should ignore everything and stay home like she gets to.

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    She's saying they should work, have careers, not stay at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    She's saying they should work, have careers, not stay at home.
    I disagree with her, as much as I'd disagree with anybody who says women should stay at home. Like I said before, it's up to each family to decide what's best for them.

    BTW. there's nothing wrong with stay at home dads either. One of my cousins is one. He and his wife (who is a doctor) made that decision by mutual agreement.

    Staying at home is hard work. I remember how hard my mom worked to take care of six rambunctious kids, including one handicapped kid. The sad part was that we kids took her for granted and Dad didn't appreciate how hard she worked - until she got a job to help pay Catholic school tuition and Dad had to pitch in at home.

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