Pelosi May Be At It Again Soon - Moved to the Cage

[lily]

This is the part in the article that had me scratching my head.

Maybe it wouldn't if you read the entire article

"There was, of course, a shadow over all of it, Iran: Iran's support of terrorist groups is something that must be stopped,'' she said. "Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon is something that must not happen and we must stop them with the strongest of diplomatic measures.''

Lantos noted that "with the speaker's support,'' he has co-sponsored legislation in the House that calls for making available to all countries -- including Iran -- nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes under international oversight by establishing a "nuclear fuel bank."

"So if the Iranian president says that he is developing (nuclear material) for peaceful purposes, we are assisting him in that process,'' said Lantos, who anticipated the legislation could pass as early as May.

Like it or not, Iran is a signer of the NPA. But in this administrations fashion, Pakistan and Iran are allowed to pursue nuclear weapons and they are not. Meanwhile, reporst say that bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, all the while Musaraff denying any American soldiers access to his borders, now that he has what they want.

Is Iran trying to develope a nuke instead of power? Who knows.....but they are allowed to develope nuclear power.

[stephanie]

Maybe it wouldn't if you read the entire article



Like it or not, Iran is a signer of the NPA. But in this administrations fashion, Pakistan and Iran are allowed to pursue nuclear weapons and they are not. Meanwhile, reports say that bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, all the while Musharraf denying any American soldiers access to his borders, now that he has what they want.

Is Iran trying to develop a nuke instead of power? Who knows.....but they are allowed to develop nuclear power.

The other countries aren't shouting about how they *want to wipe a country off the map*.
If the Democrats get in charge...
I better go start digging my fallout shelter...
You should too..

[loosecannon]

Exactly what I was thinking..

The Democrats are going to supply the fuel that Iran will use to terrorize us with, and wipe Israel off the face of the earth...

the Dems. can not hold the congress and win the Presidency in 08..

Or we're screwed...

No you simply do not understand nuclear technology.

The "fuel" being discussed is only purified to 3.5% purity. It can only be purified to a sufficient purity for a nuclear weapon (I think it is 97% purity) by a massive industrial sized operation the size of a small city.

That covers U 235. That is the hard fissile material to make, but the easy one to design a bomb with.

Plutonium is a by product of every nuclear reactor on earth. So this fuel is commonly, and cheaply available to anyone who wants it.

But building a plutonium bomb is veery difficult.

The US built Iran several nuclear power plants 20-30 years ago. So we already know they have plenty of plutonium to make a weapon. But we doubt they have.

And the 3.5% purity reactor fuel is a world away from being weapons grade.

[Kathianne]

Considering some of the replies here, I think a closer look at the article is in order:

Pelosi, Lantos may be interested in diplomatic trip to Iran

Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi list...

(04-10) 18:42 PDT -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Mateo, just back from a trip to Syria that sparked sharp criticism from Republicans and the Bush administration, suggested Tuesday that they may be interested in taking another diplomatic trip - to open a dialogue with Iran.Note, not one word about WHY it garnered sharp criticism, including from Democrats.

The Democratic speaker from San Francisco and Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, were asked at a press conference in San Francisco Tuesday whether on the heels of their recent trip to the Middle East they would be interested in extending their diplomacy in the troubled region with a visit to Iran.

"Speaking just for myself, I would be ready to get on a plane tomorrow morning, because however objectionable, unfair and inaccurate many of (Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's) statements are, it is important that we have a dialogue with him,'' Lantos said. "Speaking for myself, I'm ready to go -- and knowing the speaker, I think that she might be.''Thus providing cover for the Speaker to meet with a Holocaust denying megalomaniac. As a 'victim' Lantos is beyond reproach.

Pelosi did not dispute that statement, and noted that Lantos -- a Hungarian-born survivor of the Holocaust -- brought "great experience, knowledge and judgment" to the recent bipartisan congressional delegation trip to Israel, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia in addition to Syria.

"I find the president of Iran's remarks to be so repulsive that they are outside the circle of civilized human behavior,'' Pelosi said, referring to Ahmadinejad's past comments that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map and his questioning of the existence of the Holocaust.

"But a person of Mr. Lantos' stature and personal experience is saying that -- even as a Holocaust survivor and even recognizing the outrageous statements of the president of Iran -- it's important to have dialogue. I think that speaks volumes.''

Pelosi was criticized by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other members of the administration and other Democrats and generally Democratic leading editorialistsfor meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad, who the administration said has meddled in the politics and fomented violence in Iraq and Lebanon and is a state sponsor of terrorism. Other Republicans, however, also visited Syria during the current congressional recess. One of those lawmakers, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), visited Syria a day after the Pelosi delegation and said the Bush administration should be talking with Assad as a way of trying to bring peace to the region. Though none of them offered something that neither the President of the US or Prime Minister of Israel did not...

The president also has tried to isolate Iran, saying its government, too, has aided attacks against Americans in Iraq and elsewhere while ramping up its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

Lantos said that for more than a decade, he has been trying to obtain a visa to visit Tehran with the help of former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan -- and to date neither he nor any other member of Congress has been successful.

Pelosi said that throughout the congressional delegation's recent Middle East trip, "every place we went we had a constant message: the safety and security of Israel, fighting terrorism.''

"There was, of course, a shadow over all of it, Iran: Iran's support of terrorist groups is something that must be stopped,'' she said. "Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon is something that must not happen and we must stop them with the strongest of diplomatic measures.''

Lantos noted that "with the speaker's support,'' he has co-sponsored legislation in the House that calls for making available to all countries -- including Iran -- nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes under international oversight by establishing a "nuclear fuel bank."

"So if the Iranian president says that he is developing (nuclear material) for peaceful purposes, we are assisting him in that process,'' said Lantos, who anticipated the legislation could pass as early as May.

Thus they both are staking US and Middle East security on their hopes and wishes, with nothing that supports them.

[loosecannon]

Considering some of the replies here, I think a closer look at the article is in order:


Thus they both are staking US and Middle East security on their hopes and wishes, with nothing that supports them.

Well anyone who has any experience on political boards can tell you actually reading the links is a waste of time. [/sarc]


they both are staking US and Middle East security on their hopes and wishes

This statement depends on several assumptions not presented by the offending article.

Why is a persistent assumption made that Nancy intends, is capable of, or will have any effect on our ME affairs by taking a fact finding tour?

Congresspersons do this ALL THE TIME and the world doesn't end. It is without any doubt part of their responsibilities to understand our roles in that region, and getting an in person look is a plus, not a minus.

Why the staged objections to everything pelosi does recently?

[Kathianne]

Well anyone who has any experience on political boards can tell you actually reading the links is a waste of time. [/sarc]


they both are staking US and Middle East security on their hopes and wishes

This statement depends on several assumptions not presented by the offending article.

Why is a persistent assumption made that Nancy intends, is capable of, or will have any effect on our ME affairs by taking a fact finding tour?

Congresspersons do this ALL THE TIME and the world doesn't end. It is without any doubt part of their responsibilities to understand our roles in that region, and getting an in person look is a plus, not a minus.

Why the staged objections to everything pelosi does recently?

Your premise is untrue or misinformed. Congresspeople do often go overseas for 'factfinding', not for diplomacy-it is outside their constitutional duties. What isn't is finding out what is going on, especially Senators, so the may 'advise and consent' with greater knowledge, beyond executive briefings.

[loosecannon]

Your premise is untrue or misinformed. Congresspeople do often go overseas for 'factfinding', not for diplomacy-it is outside their constitutional duties. What isn't is finding out what is going on, especially Senators, so the may 'advise and consent' with greater knowledge, beyond executive briefings.

So to what do we owe the persistent assumption that Pelosi is not fact finding, meeting and greeting, that she has an agenda to negotiate.

BTW, diplomacy includes eating meals, press conferences, photo opps. All congresscritters do foreign diplomacy.

They just don't make bargains, promises based on the good faith of the nation etc.

[Kathianne]

So to what do we owe the persistent assumption that Pelosi is not fact finding, meeting and greeting, that she has an agenda to negotiate.

BTW, diplomacy includes eating meals, press conferences, photo opps. All congresscritters do foreign diplomacy.

They just don't make bargains, promises based on the good faith of the nation etc.

When she told Assad that Israel was ready to meet with him.

[Yurt]

This is the certified madman inside your head talking. Reasonable sane people don't simply imagine out of the blue that a country that hasn't engaged in a war of conquest for hundreds of years is on a mission to rule the world.

This is the idol chatter of nutcase thinking. The kinda crap that delusional street people ramble about as they talk to themselves in front of the liquor store and flail at imaginary bats and spiders.

You are sadly delusional. Islam's goal is the entire world subjugated under Islamic rule. To believe otherwise is to be like those in 7th-10th century that did not understand what Islam really meant and wanted. It only finally realized after they began to conquer a large part of the world and essentially force people into conversions. Yes, if you are not muslim, you place in Islamic society is almost nill. You are need to pull that wet, nappy wool away from your sheltered and spiteful eyes.

[lily]

The other countries aren't shouting about how they *want to wipe a country off the map*.
If the Democrats get in charge...
I better go start digging my fallout shelter...
You should too..

Lemmme see here. First off, the translation of what we are saying Ahmadinejad is wrong. The correct translation is, if I'm not mistaken we will wipe Israel off the pages of a book...history. They are not threating to wipe them off the map. Bomb them.

So, you're fine with Israel having a bomb, with their history of starting wars and not a member of the NPA and Pakistan as volatile as they are, also not a member of the NPA to have a nuke, but you're all up in arms because Ahmadinejad saber rattles once a month?

Oh and as for being so afraid the Democrats are in charge. If you notice that is old and worn out, it didn't work in the last election, but please keep it up, it'll help you lose in '08 too.

Aren't you tired of living in manufactured fear? Doesn't that mean the terrorists have won?

[glockmail]

You are sadly delusional. Islam's goal is the entire world subjugated under Islamic rule. To believe otherwise is to be like those in 7th-10th century that did not understand what Islam really meant and wanted. It only finally realized after they began to conquer a large part of the world and essentially force people into conversions. Yes, if you are not muslim, you place in Islamic society is almost nill. You are need to pull that wet, nappy wool away from your sheltered and spiteful eyes.

Don't be so niggardly with your words, Yurt!

[lily]

You are sadly delusional. Islam's goal is the entire world subjugated under Islamic rule. To believe otherwise is to be like those in 7th-10th century that did not understand what Islam really meant and wanted. It only finally realized after they began to conquer a large part of the world and essentially force people into conversions. Yes, if you are not muslim, you place in Islamic society is almost nill. You are need to pull that wet, nappy wool away from your sheltered and spiteful eyes.

If that were true, with all the Muslims in the world wouldn't that be reality now?

[typomaniac]

Don't be so niggardly with your words, Yurt!

Actually, Yurt uses far more words than he should, so your choice of descriptors isn't accurate.

(For those of you keeping score, the number of words Yurt should use is 0.)

[stephanie]

Aren't you tired of living in manufactured fear? Doesn't that mean the terrorists have won?

Don't worry..
Us people who see the Real World for what it is, and not lay in a dream state of what we wish, we'll be there to protect you when the shit it's the fan..
No matter how much you all badmouth us..
Dig that hole in the sand...dig dig dig

[lily]

Don't be so niggardly with your words, Yurt!

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