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    Arrow This is going to hit the news in the morning.....

    Kucinich to Receive Appeal for Redress from Active Duty Service Members
    For Immediate Release:
    Friday, January 12, 2007

    Contact: Natalie Laber (202) 225-5871 (O)
    (202) 365-1040 (C)

    WASHINGTON, DC -- Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) will receive an Appeal for Redress from active duty service members and veterans on Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 11:00 a.m. on the steps of the Cannon House Office Building.

    An appeal for redress is a way for individual service members to appeal to Members of Congress to urge an end to the U.S. military occupation.

    More than 1,000 service members have signed the appeal for redress. It is sponsored by active duty service members based in the Norfolk area and by a sponsoring committee of veterans and military family members. The sponsoring committee consists of Iraq Veterans Against the War, Veterans For Peace and Military Families Speak Out.

    Kucinich has been an adamant opponent of the war. He led the effort to challenge the Administration's war in Iraq. In advance of the Iraq war resolution in Congress, he organized 126 Democrats, two-thirds of the House Democratic Caucus, to vote against the resolution.

    This week, Kucinich introduced a Sense of Congress resolution in the House of Representatives, urging the President not to order an escalation in the total number of troops serving in Iraq. The resolution has 26 cosponsors.

    "There is a compelling need for a new direction in Iraq, one that recognizes the plight of the people of Iraq, the false and illegal basis of the United States' war against Iraq, the realities on the ground which make a military resolution of the conflict unrealistic, and the urgent responsibility of the United States to use the process of diplomacy and international law to achieve stability in Iraq."
    http://www.appealforredress.org/php/pressroom.php

    It's already been on FR and DU......Get ready folks....
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    I can't wait for the chickenhawk pompom waving members of the fighting keyboardist brigade to label those servicemen who are seeking redress as cowards and traitors...

    get ready folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I can't wait for the chickenhawk pompom waving members of the fighting keyboardist brigade to label those servicemen who are seeking redress as cowards and traitors...

    get ready folks.
    Let's not forget the left wing I-am-a-patriot-because-I-oppose-war, lose-o-phile, peace-through-appeasement-types to sit in judgement of them.

    Remember folks, the only ones that have a right to say anything about the war are those who fought, those who have family fighting and those opposed to the war... those of us who support the war are supposed to remain silent....

    That's the Left's idea of free speech --- you're entitled to their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlMarx View Post
    Let's not forget the left wing I-am-a-patriot-because-I-oppose-war, lose-o-phile, peace-through-appeasement-types to sit in judgement of them.

    Remember folks, the only ones that have a right to say anything about the war are those who fought, those who have family fighting and those opposed to the war... those of us who support the war are supposed to remain silent....

    That's the Left's idea of free speech --- you're entitled to their opinions.

    not true.... I am a patriot, not because I oppose the war, but because I served my country for a quarter of a century in uniform. Like it or not, that does give me some degree of "standing".

    YOu are certainly entitled to your opinion.... and I was only commenting that your opinion would probably be that those service members who are seeking redress are cowards and traitors.

    I was right, wasn't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    not true.... I am a patriot, not because I oppose the war, but because I served my country for a quarter of a century in uniform. Like it or not, that does give me some degree of "standing".

    YOu are certainly entitled to your opinion.... and I was only commenting that your opinion would probably be that those service members who are seeking redress are cowards and traitors.

    I was right, wasn't I?
    Since you fancy yourself a mind reader, I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 1,000,000,000 ... when you can tell me which number that is, you've earned the right to make presumptions about those who don't agree with you in this regard.

    I also like to ask, since you served, how you felt when you were standing in harm's way (if you ever did) while others here in the States were doing things to embolden those that were taking shots at you. For instance, when Jane Fonda visited the North Vietnamese. I don't imagine that you would appreciate it.

    Also, I wonder, why Kucinich does something like that so publicly, could it be for political gain? Not all who oppose the war do so for altruistic reasons.

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    I thought that Jane Fonda crossed the line...but I NEVER begrudged Americans from protesting the Vietnam war.... and I never begrudged Americans from protesting our military involvement anywhere on the globe. Those people who say that dissent in America emboldens our enemies are playing to the worst in us.... we, as a country, pride ourselves in our freedom of speech and the rapidfire raucous exchange of ideas.... if America were a country where no one felt safe to criticize stupid decisions on the part of our government just because those decisions involved folks in uniform.... this wouldn't BE the America I served.

    And if you will note my previous post, I asked a question, and did not make a statement. If I wasn't right, all you have to do is say so. I certainly do not fancy myself a mindreader....I merely asked a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I can't wait for the chickenhawk pompom waving members of the fighting keyboardist brigade to label those servicemen who are seeking redress as cowards and traitors...

    get ready folks.
    Actually less than 1% of the troops protesting means that 99% still support us being there. A sure sign that morale is great ! Hopefully they don't expect anyone to be impressed by these numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I thought that Jane Fonda crossed the line...but I NEVER begrudged Americans from protesting the Vietnam war.... and I never begrudged Americans from protesting our military involvement anywhere on the globe. Those people who say that dissent in America emboldens our enemies are playing to the worst in us.... we, as a country, pride ourselves in our freedom of speech and the rapidfire raucous exchange of ideas.... if America were a country where no one felt safe to criticize stupid decisions on the part of our government just because those decisions involved folks in uniform.... this wouldn't BE the America I served.

    And if you will note my previous post, I asked a question, and did not make a statement. If I wasn't right, all you have to do is say so. I certainly do not fancy myself a mindreader....I merely asked a question.
    There was a concept in the past that went like this "politics end at our shores". Those who opposed FDR's policies in the war did not say much after we declared war on Germany (although it was Japan who attacked us). That isn't true today. I don't think, for instance, that Americans demanding for the impeachment of a president who did nothing illegal serves no constructive purpose. Then there are those who want to see Rumsfeld and Cheney tried for, war crimes, of all things! Then, we have the New York Times blowing the lid off of classified domestic surveillance programs. Of course, let's not forget Cindy Sheehan's very public statements in Venezuela and the Dixie Chicks' statements. And what about Michael Moore and his comments that "Americans are the stupidest people on the planet"? It seems that there is nothing that is out of bounds for some.

    Certainly, they have the right to say those things, but certainly, they deserve the consequences of what their actions.

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    and what do you think the "consequences" should be for speaking one's mind in a country that prides itself on the freedom of speech?

    If you don't like living in a country where people are free to speak their minds, even if their ideas offend you and anger you and fill you with dismay.... I suggest moving.

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    oh..and by the way...Germany declared war on us first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    and what do you think the "consequences" should be for speaking one's mind in a country that prides itself on the freedom of speech?

    If you don't like living in a country where people are free to speak their minds, even if their ideas offend you and anger you and fill you with dismay.... I suggest moving.
    I imagine the consequences of speaking your mind is that people who disagree with you will also speak there minds in opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    and what do you think the "consequences" should be for speaking one's mind in a country that prides itself on the freedom of speech?

    If you don't like living in a country where people are free to speak their minds, even if their ideas offend you and anger you and fill you with dismay.... I suggest moving.
    Gee... my feelings exactly.... I remember that a lot of Hollywood gliteratti threatening to leave the country if Bush were re-elected, they're still here.

    And oh by the way, I didn't say that I don't believe people don't have a right to differing opinions. However, I also am entitled to my opinion and have the right to express it.

    I'd also like to offer your suggestion to leave the country to those "anti-war" activists who bad mouth America. It's one thing to say that you don't agree with the war or the way it is being run. It's quite another to call this country names and claiming that you hate it.

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    you were the one who said that people who speak out against American involvement in Iraq deserve consequences. I ask again, what those consequences ought to be, in your opinion?

    and who gives a damn whether people threatened to move or not? They decided to stay and they decided to speak. I say again...if YOU have a problem with them speaking their minds, you should either move, or go shoot one of them so that you can be incarcerated and we wouldn't have to put up with your whining about people exercising their rights as citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    oh..and by the way...Germany declared war on us first.
    True... they did. Oh and by the way, Al Queda declared war on us back in the 1990s but the Clinton administration did NOTHING about it. Now,we find Iranians, Syrians, Egytians, members of Al Queda fighting us in Iraq so... it seems logical to fight them instead of withdrawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlMarx View Post
    True... they did. Oh and by the way, Al Queda declared war on us back in the 1990s but the Clinton administration did NOTHING about it. Now,we find Iranians, Syrians, Egytians, members of Al Queda fighting us in Iraq so... it seems logical to fight them instead of withdrawing.
    It does seem to make sense to pay attention when someone declares war on you.

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