This is going to hit the news in the morning.....

[retiredman]

True... they did. Oh and by the way, Al Queda declared war on us back in the 1990s but the Clinton administration did NOTHING about it. Now,we find Iranians, Syrians, Egytians, members of Al Queda fighting us in Iraq so... it seems logical to fight them instead of withdrawing.

Clinton certainly did do something...and when he did try to take out OBL, the republicans ALL criticized his actions.... your selective memory is humorous.

If I stormed into YOUR house and occupied it against your will because I believed that a gang of motorcycle thugs had set up shop in your basement and were making molotov cocktails which I believed they would use against me.... and after getting into your house and occupying it with a gang of my own armed men, I determined that the motorcycle gang had never been in your basement and that my intelligence concerning their bomb-making activities had been bogus...but nonetheless...I stuck around with my gang of armed men... and my presence there got your in-laws who lived with you fighting with one another.... and then, a group of motorcycle thugs appeared in the backyard and started lobbing molotov cocktails at YOUR house in order to cause havoc with MY band of armed men, would you think that it would be appropriate for me to continue to occupy your house and continue to stir up hate and discontent in YOUR family simply because the bikers had arrived on the scene?

[Dilloduck]

and my presence there got your in-laws who lived with you fighting with one another..

Is this an argument to kick all muslims out of the US ?

[CockySOB]

I can't wait for the chickenhawk pompom waving members of the fighting keyboardist brigade to label those servicemen who are seeking redress as cowards and traitors...

get ready folks.

Actually, this method of airing their dissension is legal as far as I an tell. As such, more power to them. The ones I label as cowards and traitors are those who choose to use illegal means.

That said, I do think Kucinich is doing a bit of political grandstanding here. Nothing new about a politician grandstanding though.

[retiredman]

Actually, this method of airing their dissension is legal as far as I an tell. As such, more power to them. The ones I label as cowards and traitors are those who choose to use illegal means.

That said, I do think Kucinich is doing a bit of political grandstanding here. Nothing new about a politician grandstanding though.

oh I agree.... their methods are legal as can be....I just question the ethics of people who are too afraid to fight themselves calling into question the courage of those who do and who have.

More power to them? Well...I think that the voters took a bit of that power away, actually, by reducing them to the minority in both houses of congress.

[Dilloduck]

oh I agree.... their methods are legal as can be....I just question the ethics of people who are too afraid to fight themselves calling into question the courage of those who do and who have.

More power to them? Well...I think that the voters took a bit of that power away, actually, by reducing them to the minority in both houses of congress.

Please----this "logic" of " If you aren't _______ you can't say any thing about ______, is bullshit.

[retiredman]

I have never said that they could not speak...of course they can speak....I just question their ethics.... am I not allowed to do that?

[Dilloduck]

I have never said that they could not speak...of course they can speak....I just question their ethics.... am I not allowed to do that?

Of course you are---and I am free to respond-----Now that that's been settled, the Logic that claims if you are not ___________ then you cannot speak of ________, is restrictive of free speech is it not?

[retiredman]

there is a difference between "cannot" and "ought not" don't you think?

I certainly am not forbidden by law from walking outside in the dead of winter wearing only a pair of swimming trunks.... but I really ought not do so.

[CockySOB]

More power to them? Well...I think that the voters took a bit of that power away, actually, by reducing them to the minority in both houses of congress.

OK, ya lost me. When I said "More power to them" I was referring to the military personnel past and present who have enjoined this Appeal for Redress. How do you figure that reduces these military personnel to minority status in Congress (representation is the only think I could surmise)?

[retiredman]

OK, ya lost me. When I said "More power to them" I was referring to the military personnel past and present who have enjoined this Appeal for Redress. How do you figure that reduces these military personnel to minority status in Congress (representation is the only think I could surmise)?

my statement referred to chickenhawks and not to military personnel seeking redress.....

[Dilloduck]

there is a difference between "cannot" and "ought not" don't you think?

I certainly am not forbidden by law from walking outside in the dead of winter wearing only a pair of swimming trunks.... but I really ought not do so.

That's like saying if you have never been an illegal immigrant, you shouldn't call for secure borders. If you question the ethics of people who express themselves without 'having been there" you've just declared our entire country immoral.

[retiredman]

I disagree with your comparison. I am entitled to question the ethics of someone who refuses to fight in a war and then turns around and calls folks who have cowards. That is in now way calling our entire country immoral.

[Dilloduck]

I disagree with your comparison. I am entitled to question the ethics of someone who refuses to fight in a war and then turns around and calls folks who have cowards. That is in now way calling our entire country immoral.

What don't you get here about free speech? I an entitled to question the ethics of someone who makes silly judgements about who should speak and who shouldn't. Using your logic men should never express thier feelings about abortion?

[darin]

I can't wait for the chickenhawk pompom waving members of the fighting keyboardist brigade to label those servicemen who are seeking redress as cowards and traitors...

get ready folks.

They aren't cowards - they are idiots. Nobody with a modicum of rational thought would consider the war 'illegal'. Seriously. EVERYONE who thinks the war is 'illegal' MUST NOT have proper, normal cognitive skills. I'd wager a large portion of those folk would have some degree of mental illness.

[Gaffer]

kucinich is a whiney little socialist asshole and always has been. He's grandstanding for sure cause that's what he does. There's not a moral bone in his body.

I question the authenticity of the military people that are doing this redress. Just as I question anything kucinich does.

I AM a so called chicken hawk. I am also a combat veteran. People can say what they like, but they do have consequences which can be anything from boycots to just getting ragged on by those around them.

To say that speaking out against the war doesn't hurt anything is BULLSHIT and you know it as well as I do maine. The enemy watches our tv and news reports and reads our papers and they are using the same tactics used in vietnam. Divide the American people and draw things out until the people say that's enough. And the media is playing right along with them. Why? because like every other leftie they hate Bush. For the media and the left this is not a war for iraq. Its a war against Bush. Its a partisan effort to get control of the government. And it will be done at whatever the cost, including the lives of our military.

Had the media been showing positive reports and truthful reports for the past few years, and had the dems stood behind Bush publically, things would be going different in iraq right now. We might even be in the middle of a draw down instead of a surge. But all the backstabbing and infighting has just served to embolden our enemies who know that the longer it goes on the better there chances of success. This is another vietnam in the sense that the media are once again supporting the enemy and fighting the war at home for them.