More troops needed says McChrystal...

[maineman]

It is only getting worse over there for the troops already deployed. There is no reason for hesitating on this decision. It was supposed to have already been decided to follow the lead of the military advisers. They either need to jump in or jump out, but waffling only gives the insurgents more time and opportunity to do more harm.

Like I said, neither of us can even begin to comprehend the amount of variables and the complexity of this decision. I trust our president has our country's best interests at heart.

[Nukeman]

Like I said, neither of us can even begin to comprehend the amount of variables and the complexity of this decision. I trust our president has our country's best interests at heart.

I will respectfully have to disagree with you on this. IMHO he has his own agenda and interests at heart and that is it.

Honestly the man is way over his head, maybe this is above his pay grade???

[maineman]

I will respectfully have to disagree with you on this. IMHO he has his own agenda and interests at heart and that is it.

Honestly the man is way over his head, maybe this is above his pay grade???

so we will have to agree to disagree. And regarding his paygrade, there ain't none higher.

[Mr. P]

Like I said, neither of us can even begin to comprehend the amount of variables and the complexity of this decision. I trust our president has our country's best interests at heart.

So, why are we there? Poppy patrol?

[Joyful HoneyBee]

Interesting you mention poppies because I just watched a show on NatGeo about heroin and they said that approximately 90% of the heroin being distributed throughout the world comes from Afghanistan.

But, the original purpose was to ferret out the Taliban and Al-Quaeda, basically...get them before they get us again. However, I don't feel that the rest of the world is really doing their part in the effort. Here's why:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost...6&postcount=14

[theHawk]

Like I said, neither of us can even begin to comprehend the amount of variables and the complexity of this decision. I trust our president has our country's best interests at heart.

Well pardon us if we don't have the same "trust" in Chimpy.

Its obvious the shitbag is sitting on the fence measuring the political winds to see what move will get him higher poll numbers.

[theHawk]

and what if his secdef has advised him to hold off before committing more troops?

sometimes not precipitously making a decision is, itself, a better decision, don't you think?

Odd, earlier you said:

if the president were required to always heed and approve the advice of military leaders, we really wouldn't have civilian control of the military, would we?

So you're saying he should ignore the advice of his own appointed General, and heed the advice of a Bush appointed Sec.

So which is it? Is he taking advice from the military or setting his own policy (of doing nothing)?

[maineman]

Odd, earlier you said:



So you're saying he should ignore the advice of his own appointed General, and heed the advice of a Bush appointed Sec.

So which is it? Is he taking advice from the military or setting his own policy (of doing nothing)?

He should LISTEN to the advice of all of his advisors and, based upon their input and his own judgment, make the decision by himself. Isn't that what you would want ANY president to do?

[maineman]

Well pardon us if we don't have the same "trust" in Chimpy.

Its obvious the shitbag is sitting on the fence measuring the political winds to see what move will get him higher poll numbers.

it's obvious that he is the president and the guy from your party isn't. So you can sit on the sidelines and whine like a girlieman until 2012.

sucks to be you.

[Trigg]

it's obvious that he is the president and the guy from your party isn't. So you can sit on the sidelines and whine like a girlieman until 2012.

sucks to be you.

Well since we all had to listen to the libs on this board piss and moan for the past 8 years you'll parden us if we don't all get in line behind bambam.

He's already a lame duck according to the brits, just wait until the dems loose the majority after the 2010 elections.

[maineman]

Well since we all had to listen to the libs on this board piss and moan for the past 8 years you'll parden us if we don't all get in line behind bambam.

He's already a lame duck according to the brits, just wait until the dems loose the majority after the 2010 elections.

no. I actually enjoy listening to conservative caterwauling....it's great fun!

[emmett]

President Bush followed the advice of his military advisors so comparison is of no consequence. Barack Obama is not!

You can't tell a liberal to operate with conscience. They will not, even when presented with excellent evidence, do anything but repeat themselves such as how MM has done when "slammed" by the Buzzing Bee.

[maineman]

President Bush followed the advice of his military advisors so comparison is of no consequence. Barack Obama is not!

You can't tell a liberal to operate with conscience. They will not, even when presented with excellent evidence, do anything but repeat themselves such as how MM has done when "slammed" by the Buzzing Bee.

I do not want my president to rubber stamp the recommendations of his generals.

It is sad that you do.

[Kathianne]

I do not want my president to rubber stamp the recommendations of his generals.

It is sad that you do.

Indeed. Your president should ignore all advice, and listen to his stellar VP on military strategy. Good choice. Wow, MM is sounding alot like Pat Buchanan on LSD.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I do not want my president to rubber stamp the recommendations of his generals.

It is sad that you do.

To reiterate, one more time, again....no one is asking the man to rubber stamp anything; merely to live up to the commitments he made to the voters before he was elected.

Am I gonna have to go out and dig up more of those interviews he did where he was promising to take responsibility for Afghanistan....because I can do it and I will