Rachel Maddow - "This is Cracking Heads Time"

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 07:06 AM

Republican fillibuster? Dems have 60 votes in the Senate so Republicnas can't block anything

And she is all for changing the rules of Senate to ram Obamacare thru, despite what the voters want

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**CSM** · 10-13-2009, 07:15 AM

Wait a minute here...if they can raise funds to hold these "free health clinics" without the government barging in, why can't they do that all the time? Also, if they are "free" why do they need funds? Oh I know...lots of OTHER peoples time and money (in this case willingly donated?) as opposed to forced donations.

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by CSM

Wait a minute here...if they can raise funds to hold these "free health clinics" without the government barging in, why can't they do that all the time? Also, if they are "free" why do they need funds? Oh I know...lots of OTHER peoples time and money (in this case willingly donated?) as opposed to forced donations.

It is the Chicago way of doing things CSM

If you can't get people to support your ideas and policies on their merit, just start busting heads and forcing people to do it your way.

**Joe Steel** · 10-13-2009, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by red states rule

Republican fillibuster? Dems have 60 votes in the Senate so Republicnas can't block anything

And she is all for changing the rules of Senate to ram Obamacare thru, despite what the voters want

The voters want a public option. Why are the Republicans blocking it? Shouldn't we crack some heads to give the voters what they want?

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

The voters want a public option. Why are the Republicans blocking it? Shouldn't we crack some heads to give the voters what they want?

1) Polls show Obamacare is NOT supported by the voters

Health Care Reform
44% Favor Health Care Reform, 50% Oppose

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

2) With 60 Dem votes in the Senate, how are Republicans blocking Obamacare?

**CSM** · 10-13-2009, 07:50 AM

The only "crack" around this administration is the crack they are smoking!

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by CSM

The only "crack" around this administration is the crack they are smoking!

and the one Joe and his buddies are kissing

**Joe Steel** · 10-13-2009, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by red states rule

1) Polls show Obamacare is NOT supported by the voters

Americans want a public option.

Including a government-run insurance option -- the most controversial part of the debate -- is supported by a nearly two-to-one margin, 61%-34%.

Quinnipiac: Most Americans Support Public Option

Why won't the Republicans do what the People want?

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

Americans want a public option.

Why won't the Republicans do what the People want?

OK you are ducking the questions.. Situation normal

Health Care Reform

44% Favor Health Care Reform, 50% Oppose

Monday, October 12, 2009

Forty-four percent (44%) of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s little changed from a week ago. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% are opposed to the plan.

The numbers have been remarkably stable throughout the debate. Currently, 23% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 39% are Strongly Opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

and Joe read slowly

How can Republicans block anything in the Senate with 60 DEMOCRAT VOTES?

**Joe Steel** · 10-13-2009, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by red states rule

How can Republicans block anything in the Senate with 60 DEMOCRAT VOTES?

A public option would eliminate the need for any other reform. It would make the insurance companies honest. They would have to give the American People good health insurance at fair prices. That's what the American People want. Everything else is just rerigging a bad system and the American People know it. They don't want it rerigged. They want to be able to opt-out by choosing a public option.

Read slowly.

How can anyone, Republican or Democrat, ignore the needs of the American People and their stated wish for a public option?

**Insein** · 10-13-2009, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

A public option would eliminate the need for any other reform. It would make the insurance companies honest. They would have to give the American People good health insurance at fair prices. That's what the American People want. Everything else is just rerigging a bad system and the American People know it. They don't want it rerigged. They want to be able to opt-out by choosing a public option.

Read slowly.

How can anyone, Republican or Democrat, ignore the needs of the American People and their stated wish for a public option?

Man, you sure are flexible.

**red states rule** · 10-13-2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

A public option would eliminate the need for any other reform. It would make the insurance companies honest. They would have to give the American People good health insurance at fair prices. That's what the American People want. Everything else is just rerigging a bad system and the American People know it. They don't want it rerigged. They want to be able to opt-out by choosing a public option.

Read slowly.

How can anyone, Republican or Democrat, ignore the needs of the American People and their stated wish for a public option?

Did you "pverlook" this Joe?

Health Care Reform

44% Favor Health Care Reform, 50% Oppose

Monday, October 12, 2009

Forty-four percent (44%) of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s little changed from a week ago. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% are opposed to the plan.

The numbers have been remarkably stable throughout the debate. Currently, 23% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 39% are Strongly Opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

It is not Republicans who are blocking Obamacare - it is Dems

They see the cost of ins will rise, care will be rationed, and the government can't afford it

**Joe Steel** · 10-13-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by red states rule

Did you "pverlook" this Joe?

Forty-four percent (44%) of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s little changed from a week ago. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% are opposed to the plan.

The numbers have been remarkably stable throughout the debate. Currently, 23% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 39% are Strongly Opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

It is not Republicans who are blocking Obamacare - it is Dems

They see the cost of ins will rise, care will be rationed, and the government can't afford it

No. I didn't overlook it. That's why I posted:

How can anyone, Republican or Democrat, ignore the needs of the American People and their stated wish for a public option?

It's also why Rachel Maddow made her report. She knows some Democrats are conspiring with Republicans to deny Americans the health care they deserve. Their outrageous betrayal of public trust deserves extreme punishment.

**CSM** · 10-13-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

...

Their outrageous betrayal of public trust deserves extreme punishment....

LOL...maybe we can get the UN to send them a strongly worded letter! Perhaps we can get Pelosi to give them a disapproving look, too!

**Insein** · 10-13-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Steel

No. I didn't overlook it. That's why I posted:

It's also why Rachel Maddow made her report. She knows some Democrats are conspiring with Republicans to deny Americans the health care they deserve. Their outrageous betrayal of public trust deserves extreme punishment.

So, despite the poll numbers shown to you that states that a majority of Americans DO NOT want "the health care they deserve" and would rather keep the health care they have, you state that you didn't overlook that and are declaring that you know what the American people want?

Plus, why is it that you and Rachel Maddow think so little of us Americans to think we "deserve" such a terrible healthcare plan?

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