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    Arrow *L Ron Hubbards Clan, Spying On World Govenments*

    Sorry bout that,


    1. But this false religion is spying on the world, and shaping the worlds views on them, what are we going to do about it?


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    Amen.

    We need only expose what they do, they are there own worst enemy.

    Just saw this video earlyer today, look at how he acts, could you imagine a sence like this outside a Christain church were a christian would react as he does?

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    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Watch these $cientologist scum squirm when they are asked about operation freakout, Lisa McPherson ect,

    Their only retorts are that the man taking the film *must* be a peadophile,

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    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Sorry bout that,

    1. These guys on the second film, were creepy.
    2. Not unlike mind numb robots.
    3. Just goes to show you, some really intellegent looking guys, can be so dupped.
    4. What a bunch of dumb asses!


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    I talked with a scientologist for a while they have you fill out a questionaire and you go through an auditor, you also can do a clearing with a sauna and niacin sorta sci-fi sweatlodge thing. They use these radiowave frequency machine things too but if you have ever seen a therapist then you really can't go very far in their church because your blocked at certain levels. Anyway they aren't interested in you if you believe in mental health therapy....he he

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloe View Post
    I talked with a scientologist for a while they have you fill out a questionaire and you go through an auditor, you also can do a clearing with a sauna and niacin sorta sci-fi sweatlodge thing. They use these radiowave frequency machine things too but if you have ever seen a therapist then you really can't go very far in their church because your blocked at certain levels. Anyway they aren't interested in you if you believe in mental health therapy....he he
    Exactly, thats how they lul you in, with a free "stress test", this will bring out an aspect of your life that you are unhappy with (typicaly Job, lovelife, family ect)
    They will then give you leaflets on how to feel better, very cheap, and on the whole they are helpful, this gets you to go back to them, then they start offering you there books on Dianettics, and invite you to "aduiting sessions" were you confess your sins,
    Before you know it you are handing over hundreds, then thousands, then tens of thousands of dollars to this criminal organisation.
    and if you try and leave and speak out against them? well you better hope you didn't tell them everything during you're "auditing sessions", because they record these and keep them on record.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Exactly, thats how they lul you in, with a free "stress test", this will bring out an aspect of your life that you are unhappy with (typicaly Job, lovelife, family ect)
    They will then give you leaflets on how to feel better, very cheap, and on the whole they are helpful, this gets you to go back to them, then they start offering you there books on Dianettics, and invite you to "aduiting sessions" were you confess your sins,
    Before you know it you are handing over hundreds, then thousands, then tens of thousands of dollars to this criminal organisation.
    and if you try and leave and speak out against them? well you better hope you didn't tell them everything during you're "auditing sessions", because they record these and keep them on record.
    well just like the mormons the scientologists rejected me....LOL...so shrug I moved on to another group as I tend to do when I get curious....wink

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    Spying on the world? for whom exactly? How does them "spying on the world" hurt anyone?

    What should we do about them? Leave them alone. Ignore them. If its not of God, then nothing will come of it. Which i firmly believe.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

    Imagine what good we can do if we all joined together, united as followers of Christ - M. Russell Ballard

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    Sorry bout that,


    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Spying on the world? for whom exactly? How does them "spying on the world" hurt anyone?

    What should we do about them? Leave them alone. Ignore them. If its not of God, then nothing will come of it. Which i firmly believe.



    1. There is alot of things in this world *Not Of God*.
    2. What we should do is shut them down.
    3. This whole Ronny Hubbard things is getting out of hand.
    4. If you only knew all of what this cults doing.
    5. It would turn your stomach.
    6. Tax exempt status, etc.
    7. Its nothing but a tax shelter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Spying on the world? for whom exactly? How does them "spying on the world" hurt anyone?

    What should we do about them? Leave them alone. Ignore them. If its not of God, then nothing will come of it. Which i firmly believe.
    So its fine that they had aprox 5,000 covert agents who infiltrated 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, and committed infiltration, wiretapping, and theft of documents in government offices, most notably those of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service?

    You think this group should be ignored?

    What about what they tired to do to the Mayor of Clearwater, Florida?
    What about what they did to Paulette Cooper?
    What about what they did to Lisa McPherson?
    What about what the are doing right now, to those they deem SP's?

    They are very good at what they do, and try to apear like a normal religion, but it does not take much to show them for what they really are.

    Sure if you wana burry your head in the sand and ignore them then fair enough, but I defy anyone, religious or not, to read into the dealings of this "church" and not want them to be brought down,
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chesswarsnow View Post
    Sorry bout that,

    1. There is alot of things in this world *Not Of God*.
    2. What we should do is shut them down.
    3. This whole Ronny Hubbard things is getting out of hand.
    4. If you only knew all of what this cults doing.
    5. It would turn your stomach.
    6. Tax exempt status, etc.
    7. Its nothing but a tax shelter.



    Regards,
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    Very true, and its a joke when you listen to the IRS trying to defend this position,
    the following video shows just that,
    it also exposes yet more lies from the Co$ as they have tried to say that Anon have made bomb threats towards them

    <object width="400" height="267"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1837092&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1837092&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="267"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/1837092">Road To March 15th</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user754174">Church0fScientology</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    If one advocates shutting down one religion, then all religions need to be shut down ..........because there is not one single religion that is infallible. Religions are created by humans, run by humans and judged by humans, therefore, they are imperfect.

    And, there have been numerous religions influencing governments and getting special treatment worldwide for centuries so why should this one be any different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrskurtsprincess View Post
    If one advocates shutting down one religion, then all religions need to be shut down ..........because there is not one single religion that is infallible. Religions are created by humans, run by humans and judged by humans, therefore, they are imperfect.
    It is NOT a religion.

    I never have, and never will have a problem with people believing whatever they want to, weather that's in God, Allah, Buddha, Xenu, Money, their Microwave, that is their choice.

    I do however have a problem with the criminal organisation that is $cientology.

    It is notebale that there have been splinted groups from $cientology that follow the same beliefs in Xenu, but are not a criminal organisation. Anon has nothing against them, as they have nothing against anyother religion.


    And, there have been numerous religions influencing governments and getting special treatment worldwide for centuries so why should this one be any different.
    Gee, other countries have done plenty of things in the past, you think the current US goverment should do that too?
    And you also have no problem with the 'Establishment clause' being trashed?
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So its fine that they had aprox 5,000 covert agents who infiltrated 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, and committed infiltration, wiretapping, and theft of documents in government offices, most notably those of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service?
    Why? For what purpose? If they are spying why are they spying? If they break a law prosecute them. If not, then who the heck cares?


    You think this group should be ignored?
    I, for one, feel absolutely no animosity towards them. Nor do i feel threatened by them. What I do feel threatened by is any idea that someone should be treated as less than human because of their beliefs. If they break a law, they are accountable for a law, but unless I see some evidence of that, I don't see any reason to worry about them.

    What about what they tired to do to the Mayor of Clearwater, Florida?
    And what did they do to him? if they did something illegal, prosecute them.

    What about what they did to Paulette Cooper?
    Who on earth is Paulette Cooper?

    What about what they did to Lisa McPherson?
    Who?

    What about what the are doing right now, to those they deem SP's?
    SPs? What are they doing?

    They are very good at what they do, and try to apear like a normal religion, but it does not take much to show them for what they really are.
    Never claimed they were normal. But all I see are some accusations that make little to no sense and intense dislike. That is not enough for me to care about what they do or not.


    Sure if you wana burry your head in the sand and ignore them then fair enough, but I defy anyone, religious or not, to read into the dealings of this "church" and not want them to be brought down,
    If they break the law, prosecute them. Otherwise leave them alone. It's not of God, so it's not going to last. So there is nothing to worry about.
    If we were as industrious to become good as to make ourselves great, we should become really great by being good, and the number of valuable men would be much increased; but it is a grand mistake to think of being great without goodness; and i pronounce it as certain that there was never yet a truly great man that was not at the same time truly virtuous." - Ben Franklin

    Imagine what good we can do if we all joined together, united as followers of Christ - M. Russell Ballard

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    Why? For what purpose? If they are spying why are they spying? If they break a law prosecute them. If not, then who the heck cares?
    They infiltrate into these organisations to gather information on people/departments which they can later use to blackmail those people/departments, it is notable that the Co$ were being hounded by the IRS for tax evasion, then after a meeting with its head it was decided that the Co$ would remain tax-exempt. This was a private deal and there could be no judical review of the decision...smells a bit funny no?

    I, for one, feel absolutely no animosity towards them. Nor do i feel threatened by them. What I do feel threatened by is any idea that someone should be treated as less than human because of their beliefs. If they break a law, they are accountable for a law, but unless I see some evidence of that, I don't see any reason to worry about them.
    Do you feel any animosity towards any criminal orgaisations? What about the mafia, or the kkk ect?
    As i have said before i have nothing against their beliefs, and many of the $cientoligists at the base level are the victims of $cientology, the idea that Anonymous is in any way anti-religion or anti-free speech is a myth spread by $cientoligists.



    And what did they do to him? if they did something illegal, prosecute them.
    He tried to stop a $cientology centre being opened, as he knows what the Co$ is about,
    They ran a smear campain against him, which included forging documents claiming that 20 years previous he has married a women in mexico, thus making him a bigimist, however this and other plots against the mayor were uncovered.


    Who on earth is Paulette Cooper?
    She wrote a book critical of the Co$, and so began 'Operation Freakout' Whereby it was the plan of the "church" to (and i quote) “To get P.C. incarcerated in a mental institution or jail, or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attacks.”

    To this end they broke into PC's office, and stole her stationary, using this they mailed death threats to themselves, as the letters were in her office headed paper, with her fingerprints ect she was charged with making the death treats, however, the FBI raided Co$ buildings and happened to find policy letters showing the plans against Paulette and the names of those invloved.

    11 $cientologists were sent to jail over 'Operation Freakout' though to this day they argue that this was the actions of a few $cientologists and they were not acting on bealf of the church, and yet one of the 11 sent to jail was Mary Hubbard...who she you ask? She is the wife of the founder (and then leader) of the Co$

    Further Information on Operation Freakout
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

    Who?
    Lisa McPherson was murdered by the Co$
    The story is too long to type, but can be read here http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
    One of the most sickening things about this case is that afterwards the Co$ put the "lisa McPherson clause" into their contract, this clause means that if you die in the care of the Church, then no matter how you died (say through being locked in a room and starved as Lisa was) the "Church" can not be held responsible.



    SPs? What are they doing?
    SP's are you, and me, and anyone who does not follow $cientology.
    SP stands for "Supressive Person" and under the rules of $cientolgy can be subject to "fair game"

    Fair game is using the law to scilence those who are critical of the Co$, it was written by Hubbard "the law can be used very easily to harass ... The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage, rather than to win – if possible, of course, ruin [the target] utterly"

    The true nature of $cientology is clear when you see what they have said about SPs, in a policy document released by Hubbard
    "SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed".[7]

    It is claimed by the Co$ that "fair game" is no longer in Operation, however this is merely another one of their lies, in reality a leaked policy letter from $cientology said;
    "The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."

    Read more on fair game, and about some of those who have been fair gamed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Ga...Scientology%29


    Never claimed they were normal. But all I see are some accusations that make little to no sense and intense dislike. That is not enough for me to care about what they do or not.
    Some accusations? They have been raided by the FBI and thousands of stolen goverment files were recovered (Btw the Co$ still claims that the FI had no right to take these documents)
    They have ruined the lives of many, and even murdered some,
    They use there fair game policy and the law to harass those who speak out against them (Paulett recieved 51 seperate law suits costing her over $400,000 dollers in legal fees)
    There are also currently spreading lies about Anonymous simply because we are trying to inform the public about what they are about.

    If you can honestly take a look at what they have do to so many peoples lives, say by reading accounts of those who have escaped from the church, and still not care then i would be amazed.

    If they break the law, prosecute them. Otherwise leave them alone. It's not of God, so it's not going to last. So there is nothing to worry about.
    A line comes to mind, that evil comes to pass when good men do nothing,,,
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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