Anglican head Williams says anti-gays misread Bible

[gabosaurus]

Only people with intelligence and snap will know what I am talking about.
which obviously disqualifies many ConReps on this board.

[darin]

Only people with intelligence and snap will know what I am talking about.
which obviously disqualifies many ConReps on this board.

Nobody thinks you are smart or cool or funny for being a dickhead.

[gabosaurus]

Some of us are dickheads. Others are the entire dick.
Not that they ever get to use it...

[eighballsidepocket]

Only people with intelligence and snap will know what I am talking about.
which obviously disqualifies many ConReps on this board.

"I am God of all the people" is self explanatory. God is indeed sovereign over all His Creation. To be God over his people is not the same as saying that all His people acknowledge Him as their God......or the authority or Lordship of their lives. There is the big divide.

He is God over those that mock Him, refuse to acknowledge His existence, those that sin blatantly before Him without conscious regret.....etc... Free-will is the charmer and the expression of His grace to all. It allows God to receive the willing, not the "forced" into His Kingdom. This is not unlike raising two children, and asking both to do a chore. One joyfully obliges, the other does it out of fear of punishment, resentment, and the self-centered desire to do otherwise. Which one really sees the parent as a benevolent, positive authority for their life and willingly obeys?

Remember, at the end of time.....all knees will bow, even the unwilling.........as they finally see Him in the "big reality" of His second coming. He came 2,000 years ago to seek and save, the next time it's to judge.

God is patient..........very patient...........,but patient means that there is an end to patience in the future. It will not be foretold......it will be a joyful surprise to some and to others not-so, and to others, an almost expected thing.........some will have regrets, others will stand with open arms of joy and relief. No amount of anguish of tears, repentance, or deep regret will make a difference. The time of merciful patience will have ended. Man will be out of excuses, yet some will still shake an angry fist in defiance.

God allows the rain to fall on the crops of the evil man as well as the righteous man. The evil man can come around and finally realize that he isn't Lord and Master of his life, and cross that chasm that separates man from God. Humility, and Pride are like oil and water, they can't exist in the same container..........one must go that the other will reign.

Man fears that acknowledging God's sovereignty will be the loss of personal freedom, fun, recreation, free thought, happiness, intellectual pursuit, and desires to what one wants to do in life. Oh how the enemy of man's soul has brainwashed lost man with that lie.

Man is even brainwashed to the extent by the enemy of his soul to think that the enemy is a myth.
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Interpretting sovereignty of God over all, as meaning He is all inclusive and non-descrimitive is to be in agreement with the fuzzy logic that some noteable folks of the past have raised such as; "It's all what you believe the definition of sexual relations is?" God has no gray areas when it comes to what is right and wrong. Only man has redefined and created the gray area to assuage his guilt.
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God is God of the lost and the saved or found..........Its just that the latter group realize it, and the first group denies it, evades it, or runs from it.
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[gabosaurus]

Excellent points, eightball. But remember, Jesus ministered to those who were considered unclean and outcast at that time. Jesus preached love, not hatred.
The Bible, by its very nature, is open to interpretation.

[eighballsidepocket]

Excellent points, eightball. But remember, Jesus ministered to those who were considered unclean and outcast at that time. Jesus preached love, not hatred.
The Bible, by its very nature, is open to interpretation.

Can't agree with you more!

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In fact one of my favorite accounts of Jesus's was when He said He came for the "sick" not the "well".

That statement went over most of the folks heads back then and probably does nowadays too.

"Sick" meant all of us.........In fact the Pharisees, and the very "religious" who believed that living by the "law" was the way to pleasing and appeasing God, were the sickest. We were all sick in "spirit". We all were alienated from God, or at enmity with Him. Some realized it, other's refused it. Some thought pridefully thought they had it through religiosity, others shrunk away in guilt and shame. All were in the same boat.

When Jesus spotted that man Zacheus up in the tree who was trying to get a better view of the Teacher, Jesus made a point of calling out to Zacheus and telling him that He wanted to dine with him at his house.

Zacheus was despised by the Jewish Pharisees and scribes of the time. He was a tax collector, and considered a religious as well as national turncoat. Zacheus also was most likely corrupt in his tax collecting too, for the Romans government.

The interesting response of Zacheus at being asked to host a dinner at his house for Jesus, was the immediate turn to repentance, and an contrite heart and spirit. In fact Zacheus announced upon that dinner visit by Jesus that he would return monetarily all he had taken illegally, and even add more back to the people! That was a changed man!

It's funny, but as you mentioned in your post......the ones that were the grossest of sinners in the eyes of the religious and pious of the day, were the ones that seemed to respont to Jesus in the greatest numbers. It took little convincing for them to admit that before God, they were unworthy, as they fell on their collective faces before Jesus, and called out for mercy, and Jesus had pity upon them and they were saved.......or prepped for salvation that would come at Pentacost.

So great gobs of theological intellect, and great gobs of general intelligence, and charismatic tallents in life, don't insure one's place in God's kingdom.

Only the broken, contrite, repentant heart will enter God's Kingdom, and that will be through Jesus's Crucified, buried, and ressurrected life, and no others. Every man and woman must come to face the "death" of self at the cross, and enthrone Jesus at the helm of their souls.

Every human being on earth is being "worked-on" by God second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, and year by year, in ways that are intended to convince that individual that they need to relinquish the lordship of their lives from themselves and give it to the One that knows them inside and out, atom for atom, molecule for molecule, who knitted them in their mother's womb......etc.

To say that we all need or needed God's perverbial 2X4 across the head to come to our senses is not too far off.

Some of will go to our graves with lumps all over our craniums , others will only need a couple lumps to decide that they are weak and He is the wise, loving strong-one all along.

[glockmail]

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The Bible, by its very nature, is open to interpretation.

To a relatively narrow degree. On the thread subject, the Bible states that homosexuality is an abomination. Not a lot of wiggle room there.

[avatar4321]

Only people with intelligence and snap will know what I am talking about.
which obviously disqualifies many ConReps on this board.

What the heck is snap?

[avatar4321]

Excellent points, eightball. But remember, Jesus ministered to those who were considered unclean and outcast at that time. Jesus preached love, not hatred.
The Bible, by its very nature, is open to interpretation.

No one is preaching hate. We are just sick and tired of unjustified hypocrisy and false doctrine being mistaught from the scriptures.

[gabosaurus]

No one is preaching hate. We are just sick and tired of unjustified hypocrisy and false doctrine being mistaught from the scriptures.

What gives you the divine right to singularly interpret the scriptures? God speaks to all of us, not merely to those who seek to twist His word into something that espouses hatred and mistrust.

[darin]

What gives you the divine right to singularly interpret the scriptures? God speaks to all of us, not merely to those who seek to twist His word into something that espouses hatred and mistrust.

He didn't interpret - he read what was there and applied Elementary-school-levels of Comprehension. (shrug).

What espouses hatred and mistrust is people taking God's word, shitting up on it, and then proclaiming themselves somehow special, or blessed of God as being THE single voice of Him. See: Williams-from-this-thread.

[eighballsidepocket]

What gives you the divine right to singularly interpret the scriptures? God speaks to all of us, not merely to those who seek to twist His word into something that espouses hatred and mistrust.

Scripture twisting is the very act of denying what the bible says clearly. As I shared with you earlier, homosexuality is clearly defined in the category of sin, as is adultry, stealing, lieing, etc.. Romans Chapter one doesn't shroud what it's saying.

Now the Anglican church and many folks are twisting the biblical scripture, to "justfify" their resistance or stubborniess to accept culpability for their decisions to live in "sin" or commit "sin".

Just because this is a mainstream church doesn't give them any better credentials than anyone else.

99 and 99/100's of the bible scripture is not metaphorical or allegory, but is straight-on objective information, that doesn't need a Priest, or Bishop to interpret for the common man with an open, unbiased mind.

The bible sheds its truth on all the lies that we accept as gospel, and truth is like a light, it exposes darkness so that we can see what's hidden in the shadows.

Jesus was not unlike a light in the darkness, as His very life and words exposed man's enmity to God's holines and standards or righteousness.

As I mentioned before. Jesus said we all needed a doctor back 2,000 years ago, and it hasn't changed now. We are all in need of spirtual surgery/healing. Some will accept their condition of need, and others will try to avoid the exposing truth/light of God's holiness.

It's very simple. No smoke and mirrors in the bible. Man is the one that does the smoke and mirrors act to avoid accountability before his Creator.
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Granted, I agree that there are myriads of bible/scripture twisters in this world, but it isn't all coming from the church. The Anglican church example at the beginning of this thread is an example of the liberal influence in the church that is "watering-down" the true gospel and is unexcuseable.

Even folks who are avowed homosexuals who are pastoring some mainline churches are totally violating and going against God's obvious commands/instructions within scripture.... People don't want to lump homosexuality in there with stealing, lieing, adultry....etc.. but the scripture is totally straight-forward, and not "fuzzy' on this subject.

[glockmail]

What the heck is snap?

"snap it" means "whack off".

[Nienna]

What the heck is snap?

Snap is a kind of in-your-face-I'm-all-that attitude. Like when you snap your fingers at someone.