The "Neutering" of the American Male

[-Cp]

Just because in cultures like ours based on Christianity & Islam that has woman submissive doesn’t mean they are like that everywhere or expected to be in every culture or that it's better. Woman having equal rights and responsiblities in our society has greatly improved our society.

Can you name me one region of the world that has progressed so far so fast as westernized culture has where women play the "dominate" role?

Also... (as in typical liberal fashion) you're confusing rights equality and roles...

My wife is my equal partner in the eyes of God that doesn't mean she has the dominate role, however - that is a responsibility I've been charged with.

Roles do not deteremine equality.. Do not sports teams have different roles for each player? Is somehow the Center on a Basketball team greater than the forwards or guards? Are they not all equal team mates? Is the coach - because he's the LEADER - make him better than the people on the team? Are not the two (coach and player) completely dependant on each other?

[darin]

Not really, the role of woman and men is a cultural thing, different in different places.

Naw - it's a fundamental Biological/spiritual/psychological difference, regardless of culture.

[LiberalNation]

It also changes throughout history as well as culture. Gender roles are defined by your society. Men and woman can equally lead depending on personality. Some men can't, some men can, some woman can't, some woman can.

[darin]

It also changes throughout history as well as culture. Gender roles are defined by your society. Men and woman can equally lead depending on personality. Some men can't, some men can, some woman can't, some woman can.

You are still wrong. We're not talking about specific ones or twos...we're talking about entire genders.

[LiberalNation]

tWe are talking entire genders and gender roles. It is more socially aceptable for woman to lead, work, and study now and they are and proving succesfull at it in many cases. Then there's people for whatever reason want to turn back the clock when society was totally male dominated for whatever reason.

[Abbey Marie]

tWe are talking entire genders and gender roles. It is more socially aceptable for woman to lead, work, and study now and they are and proving succesfull at it in many cases. Then there's people for whatever reason want to turn back the clock when society was totally male dominated for whatever reason.

I surely do not want to turn back the clock. I was able to get a law degree, and had job opportunities, and I want my daughter to have the same if she chooses. Anyone who wants to should have the right to purse what they are qualified to do.

However, when society bends the rules to ensure that everyone can do everything, I disagree. Such as lowering the number of lbs. a female firefighter must carry on her back, so women can pass the test. Make the test what it should be to be the safest and most efficient way of fighting fires, and then do not deviate.

Having had much more experience than you at 17, I can also tell you that many, many women find that after they have a child, they find it extremely hard to leave that child in someone else's hands, and often they just retire. The office's allure is gone. How do you explain that phenomenon? Is it cultural or biological?

[darin]

tWe are talking entire genders and gender roles. It is more socially aceptable for woman to lead, work, and study now and they are and proving succesfull at it in many cases. Then there's people for whatever reason want to turn back the clock when society was totally male dominated for whatever reason.

This has NOTHING to do with social acceptability. It has EVERYTHING to do with "How we, as humans, are CREATED to be." It has EVERYTHING to do with "Just the way things are - so instead of trying to COMBINE the genders and their strengths, let's CELEBRATE DIVERSITY by thanking GOD for having the wisdom to make us DIFFERENT"

[LiberalNation]

We are different I agree but if a woman can meet the same standards as a man for a job or task societal constricts should not keep them from doing it. Saying men are good leaders and woman leading emasculates them is stupid. If she's a better leader that's their problem not hers but men in society don’t always see that. That is what I'm saying DMP.

[LiberalNation]

I can also tell you that many, many women find that after they have a child, they find it extremely hard to leave that child in someone else's hands, and often they just retire. The office's allure is gone. How do you explain that phenomenon? Is it cultural or biological?

Many but not all and I'm sure biology plays a part. I know a lot of woman who work to get away from their kids 24/7 and out in the real world. They could go on welfare, would actually make more money on it but don't and that's basicaly the reason.

[Abbey Marie]

Many but not all and I'm sure biology plays a part. I know a lot of woman who work to get away from their kids 24/7 and out in the real world. They could go on welfare, would actually make more money on it but don't and that's basicaly the reason.

Why did they have kids?

[darin]

We are different I agree but if a woman can meet the same standards as a man for a job or task societal constricts should not keep them from doing it. Saying men are good leaders and woman leading emasculates them is stupid. If she's a better leader that's their problem not hers but men in society don’t always see that. That is what I'm saying DMP.

When a wife, for example, Lords over a husband she breaks his will/spirit, AND destroys the best parts of what make her a woman in the first place. that's the point, young padme.

[LiberalNation]

because they did, not like it was planned. You may have sex but not want kids, sometimes it'll work, sometimes not.

[Nienna]

tWe are talking entire genders and gender roles. It is more socially aceptable for woman to lead, work, and study now and they are and proving succesfull at it in many cases. Then there's people for whatever reason want to turn back the clock when society was totally male dominated for whatever reason.

You are very confused about gender roles and allowing opportunities. Gender roles have to do SPECIFICALLY with a man and a woman in their relationship. I don't think anyone is claiming that women should not be allowed to vote, hold management positions, etc. But, men and women are DIFFERENT, have different emotional needs that cannot be met in a unisex society.

[LiberalNation]

When a wife, for example, Lords over a husband she breaks his will/spirit, AND destroys the best parts of what make her a woman in the first place. that's the point, young padme.

Also the guys problem, shouldn't have married someone if he couldn't handle who they were. When a man lords over a woman who is not submissive it will destroy her spirit. Same difference.

[darin]

Many but not all and I'm sure biology plays a part. I know a lot of woman who work to get away from their kids 24/7 and out in the real world. They could go on welfare, would actually make more money on it but don't and that's basicaly the reason.

Out in the REAL world? HOLY Crap - that's exactly the problem! Society says having a CAREER is more important - more REAL - than raising a healthy FAMILY. I swear, Women's Lib is straight from the pits of hell. That lame-ass argument that raising children is anything LESS than the most honorable profession...Of course, devaluing Children, and their raising WOULD make it easier to kill them before birth - but I digress..