Anarchist Communism

[Noir]

Righto, I read through the Reading provided, and the idea that such a system could ever work on any sort of scale is simply laughable.

So I'll start off with 3 subjects that came to mind while Reading through the material,

a) Schooling.

A key idea behind all of this is that no one should hold rule over another, in which case how can you school children? Afterall there could be no teacher, no state standard qualifications, no universities ect. And so how do you create a well educated population to become doctors and computer designers ect, do they all have to learn from home?

b)There are rules, but no enforcement.

It is stated there is to be no private property, only enough for everyone to need. i.e. a large family will have a larger house that a small family, but that per person the space will be equal.
Who will regulate this? Afterall there is no state police, infact there is not state at all. And as no one can rule over another, If someone says your house is too big and out should move out and you say no, what happens? Are they allowed to dominate over you by forcing you out?
I would guess a therotical answer would be that 'we all want to help eachother' and so would never refuse to move if asked. But as we well know, theory and reality are very far from cozy with eachother.

C) Economy
This is the most Important of all. Say the state you lived in broke off from the USA and became Anarchist-Communist. So there you are with your own area of land and no state or goverment or currency. I dare say the first thing you would notice is that the lights in your house wouldn't go on, and that the super-markets would be closed, and I won't bother using the toilet too much, after all the sweage treatment plants won't have anyone working in them.

Why will no one be working? Because there is no such thing as money, because there is no state, if a man works all day at the power-plant what will he get for it? Zip.

And even if everyone did decided to work for nothing except to 'help eachother' then you would soon run into problems anyway, like if your power-plants run on Nuke energy, but your 'area' does not have a sorce of uranium...what do you do? I mean, you can't trade with a nation/state that does have uranium, afterall you have no goverment in power to make trading deals.

Those 3 will do for starters, I await your replies with interest.

[Gaffer]

Good points Noir, lets see what agingprostrate has to say in response.

[Mr. P]

Good show KID!

[Noir]

Heys, let's not start offering me victory blowjobs just yet, I could well be ripped apart in the next few days, or at the very least expect inteligent responses,

This ideology will surly have faced, and answered, far more complex questions that I will ever pose, I mean if I can pick up on such problems after Reading two websites I'm sure they've been raised before, and if agi is serious about this then he will be well versed in answers.

[CSM]

One man's utopia is another man's hell.

The closest thing to a state based on anarchy these days is Somalia ... seems like a horrible place but then they are obviously missing the "communist" part.

[HogTrash]

Righto, I read through the Reading provided, and the idea that such a system could ever work on any sort of scale is simply laughable.

So I'll start off with 3 subjects that came to mind while Reading through the material,

a) Schooling.

A key idea behind all of this is that no one should hold rule over another, in which case how can you school children? Afterall there could be no teacher, no state standard qualifications, no universities ect. And so how do you create a well educated population to become doctors and computer designers ect, do they all have to learn from home?

b)There are rules, but no enforcement.

It is stated there is to be no private property, only enough for everyone to need. i.e. a large family will have a larger house that a small family, but that per person the space will be equal.
Who will regulate this? Afterall there is no state police, infact there is not state at all. And as no one can rule over another, If someone says your house is too big and out should move out and you say no, what happens? Are they allowed to dominate over you by forcing you out?
I would guess a therotical answer would be that 'we all want to help eachother' and so would never refuse to move if asked. But as we well know, theory and reality are very far from cozy with eachother.

C) Economy
This is the most Important of all. Say the state you lived in broke off from the USA and became Anarchist-Communist. So there you are with your own area of land and no state or goverment or currency. I dare say the first thing you would notice is that the lights in your house wouldn't go on, and that the super-markets would be closed, and I won't bother using the toilet too much, after all the sweage treatment plants won't have anyone working in them.

Why will no one be working? Because there is no such thing as money, because there is no state, if a man works all day at the power-plant what will he get for it? Zip.

And even if everyone did decided to work for nothing except to 'help eachother' then you would soon run into problems anyway, like if your power-plants run on Nuke energy, but your 'area' does not have a sorce of uranium...what do you do? I mean, you can't trade with a nation/state that does have uranium, afterall you have no goverment in power to make trading deals.

Those 3 will do for starters, I await your replies with interest.

The simplified version...Communist anarchy would slowly convert to the historic oppressive communism we all know, hate and fear.

When someone acquired too much, neighbors would show up to take it and of course said property would need to be divided which of course would lead to conflict...Mob rule.

It would soon be determined that an organized replacement for mob rule would be necessary to ensure equality and keep the communal peace...Small government.

As complaints of inequality grows and spreads so would small government expand to accomodate the needs of the people as government always does, especially under communism...Large government.

Large government, being unchallenged by any other form of government as communism is famous for, would become all powerful and controlling and spread to every aspect of daily life...Totalitarianism.

And of course those in charge would have more than the others and this would be explained by the statement of the ruling class pigs in the book ANIMAL FARM;

"Of course we are all equal, but some are more equal than others"..........I believe most people who desire communism immagine themselves in the roll of the pigs.

[Gaffer]

Still nothing from the prostrate. Guess he's collecting his talking points. My bet is, if he responds, he will spin and talk around the questions with the biggest words his thesaurus can come up with.

Hog You hit it on the head again. Animal Farm is one of the best examples of how the commies work. I often wonder where these lib-commies think they will be in the hierarchy of hope and change.

[Noir]

Still nothing from the prostrate. Guess he's collecting his talking points. My bet is, if he responds, he will spin and talk around the questions with the biggest words his thesaurus can come up with.

Hog You hit it on the head again. Animal Farm is one of the best examples of how the commies work. I often wonder where these lib-commies think they will be in the hierarchy of hope and change.

Funny, I had the same thought, though I am armed with my own thesaurus, to break down such words inta understandable english again =) and most of all I do hope he bothers to reply, it took me ages to read through all that tosh.

[Gaffer]

Funny, I had the same thought, though I am armed with my own thesaurus, to break down such words inta understandable english again =) and most of all I do hope he bothers to reply, it took me ages to read through all that tosh.

Your better than I am then. I couldn't get through the first paragraph. His belief in that crap shows how truly ignorant and nonsensical he is.

[Nukeman]

I read some and mean SOME of that rambling BS. I especially like this last part I pulled out.

I this great Utopian altruistic society there would be NO production its a good thing all those greedy capitalistic companies ramped up production for everyone to be able to go pick up everything they needed prior to overthrowing those evil capitalist!!!!!!

Kropotkin's earlier writings as to the methods of organizing production and distribution after a revolutionary seizure of property were based on the assumption that there would be sufficiency of goods for each to take what he needed and to work as much as he felt able. After his experience with the Russian Revolution he came to a quite contrary conclusion. He recognized the obstacles to production on a new basis as well as the poverty of the capitalist world and expressed his changed opinion in a postscript to the Russian edition of Words of a Rebel, published in 1919. His method for organizing production follows his previous teaching, but his statement of it after the Russian Revolution adds interest to it.

I find it hard to believe that there are still morons that believe this shit. They remain under the impression that ALL MAN is altruistic and unfortunately it only take a couple to not be for your lovely little fantasy world to come crashing down.....



Here is little aggis ideal world and like I said it only takes ONE to change everything

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc79ho-PzeE[/YOUTUBE]

[Agnapostate]

As I said to you in another thread, I don't see anything here that's a very impressive or advanced criticism. Nothing beyond an elementary level, really. While you're new at these types of exchanges with me, I'm not new to this sort of anti-anarchist cliche. Answers to effectively all of your "objections" can be found in Section I of An Anarchist FAQ, and while I'll respond to you myself, I don't relish tedious exchanges about basic material. I want elevated, complex debate, but can hardly ever find it from anti-socialists. There's only been one thing that's actually stumped me: this. At the time, I wasn't knowledgeable enough to provide a response to it. I am now, but have since been banned. I want to find someone like that again, basically.

170 years of anarchist history behind us. There need to be more theoretically advanced criticisms than this.

[Noir]

As I said to you in another thread, I don't see anything here that's a very impressive or advanced criticism. Nothing beyond an elementary level, really. While you're new at these types of exchanges with me, I'm not new to this sort of anti-anarchist cliche. Answers to effectively all of your "objections" can be found in Section I of An Anarchist FAQ, and while I'll respond to you myself, I don't relish tedious exchanges about basic material. I want elevated, complex debate, but can hardly ever find it from anti-socialists. There's only been one thing that's actually stumped me: this. At the time, I wasn't knowledgeable enough to provide a response to it. I am now, but have since been banned. I want to find someone like that again, basically.

170 years of anarchist history behind us. There need to be more theoretically advanced criticisms than this.

Sorry if you consider my questions benieth you, but at the very least you could bother to address them, failure to do so on such bread and butter issues is really laughable.
But hey, it's not my job to try and convince you to care, I bothered to read through the crap you presented me with, and if you don't have the respect to reply then that's your call.

[Agnapostate]

Sorry if you consider my questions benieth you, but at the very least you could bother to address them, failure to do so on such bread and butter issues is really laughable.

Nothing would be more laughable than the primitive nonsense you've begun this thread with, I'm afraid. How many times have I encountered the same tiresome regurgitations?

But hey, it's not my job to try and convince you to care, I bothered to read through the crap you presented me with, and if you don't have the respect to reply then that's your call.

If I could, I'd issue one elementary-level primer to everyone who regurgitates the same platitudinous talking points and be done with it all, but I already stated that I'd be willing to respond to them one more time.

[Trigg]

chicken shit

[Agnapostate]

chicken shit

Who the fuck invited you, Pigg? We can have an economics debate whenever you name the venue.