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    Default Privacy is Dead – Get over it

    This speech of privacy expert Steven Rambam gives deep insight into the possibilities of privacy invasion through tools that are freely available on the internet. He gives examples of myspace, facebook, blogs, etc. and also shows how companies like Google or even Domino’s Pizza are using data-mining to get a profile of their customers. One of my favorite quotes is, when he talks about the possibilities that mobile phones offer for data collection:

    “The iPhone uses both, GPS and Skyhook - you can’t hide – the only way to hide from this is to take out the battery – oh, wait a second … you can’t take the battery out of an iPhone!” [1:12:35]
    This documentary is quite long – around 3 hours – but if you care just a little bit about your privacy, it is worth every minute!

    Steve Rambam Privacy is Dead – Get over it! (Part


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    I'm concerned about these web pages where you can pay some money and get TONS of info about a person -- all their addresses, phone numbers, etc. It's scary.
    With me men all over the world want to $#*&#$ me and then Q@#^&$Q me and then I do *^#&@(*W$&^ with them and they then get wild and %^&#$%$!%# and #!#$ and ^$##$%$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm concerned about these web pages where you can pay some money and get TONS of info about a person -- all their addresses, phone numbers, etc. It's scary.

    Yeah but thats just how it is I guess.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm concerned about these web pages where you can pay some money and get TONS of info about a person -- all their addresses, phone numbers, etc. It's scary.
    You know that comment is really funny.....you can get all of that info for free without ever having to pay a fee. The people who do use those sites and pay the fee are usually dumb-asses who don't bother to read anything before signing up, and then giving there credit card info.

    How do I know this? I deal with this on a daily basis out of 100 phone calls 80 of them are people telling me I had no idea I was signing up for this free trial. I just wanted a phone number. If they would have read the pages during the sign up instead of clicking through they would have seen they were given a free 7 day trial to my company when they purchased the phone number etc. They also receive a welcome email with instructions on how to log into their account.

    Although 75 of these phone calls these people have been charged 2 or more months for services and they are just now realizing it (do people not check their credit card and bank statements)

    The best part is when they call in all pissed off and blame us for charging there card like they did not give there credit card info over the internet.

    Typical phone call I receive...............

    Me) Thank you for calling ______ _______ how may I help you?

    Caller) (in a very pissed off irate tone of voice)I have an unauthorized charge on my bank statement and I have no idea who you are or how you got my card number but I want this canceled and a refund put back on my card.

    Me) can I get your first and last name so I can pull up the account?

    Caller) __________ __________

    Me) Ok it looks like you must have used _______ back on ________ do you recall using that site?

    Caller) (still sounding a little pissed off but tones changing) yes, but I was only looking for a phone number

    Me) Ok well when you used that site you were given a 7 day free trial and if you did not cancel within the 7 days then we start billing you for the services each month.

    Caller) (in a very oh shit I screwed up tone) Oh I didn't realize that I don't remember seeing that when I signed up.

    Me) It was during the registration process and you should have received a welcome email as well.

    Caller) (in a very polite tone of voice) ok well i didn't want that can i cancel it?

    Me) Yes I will get that canceled for you right now.

    Caller) Thank you!

    Me) your welcome and you should have received a confirmation email that the account has been canceled and you will not receive any more charges from us.

    Caller) Thank you so much!

    Me) your welcome, thank you for calling ______ ________ have a great day!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm concerned about these web pages where you can pay some money and get TONS of info about a person -- all their addresses, phone numbers, etc. It's scary.
    You mean family tree sites, online dating sites, privacy protection/detective sites, military sites, government sites, colleges, highschools, kindergardens, nursery schools, home schooling, daycare, nanny/babysitter sites, porn sites, swinger sites, even nudist/naturist sites?

    There's a law that personal information of anyone may not trade hands until the person dies, and even then a respectable period of time must pass before a lifestyle database can be formed.
    The "Freedom Of Information Act" overrides that law if the person feels his or her life might be in danger or is an official document that society as a whole needs to know about, such as the possibility of a bank robber, murderer, kidnapper, child molester/rapist, or paedophile.

    If their is a false accusation or the person wants revenge or something, I am scared that info would get out as well (mainly because I am in that situation).

    Those graduation and family reunion sites (including "The Locater" TV show) are nothing but scams!
    By their own admission, third parties and advertisers will also receive this info.
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    It's only inevitable if we concede to idea that it is.
    the same brilliance that created the problem can create a solution. if enough people demand it. And stop buying the hype.

    You can't tell me that there's no way to make a cell phone position anonymous. I don't buy it. you can't tell me that google can't stop tracking and storing every thing we do on their site. It would mean that they lose some money but I don't think they'll wither up and fold.

    Lets not be so quick to lie down to the tech companies, were their customers and they are suppose to serve us not track us.
    If we start throwing some CEO's in jail I bet they'll find away to make everyone anonymous.

    That's my rant in the wilderness on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    It's only inevitable if we concede to idea that it is.
    the same brilliance that created the problem can create a solution. if enough people demand it. And stop buying the hype.

    You can't tell me that there's no way to make a cell phone position anonymous. I don't buy it. you can't tell me that google can't stop tracking and storing every thing we do on their site. It would mean that they lose some money but I don't think they'll wither up and fold.

    Lets not be so quick to lie down to the tech companies, were their customers and they are suppose to serve us not track us.
    If we start throwing some CEO's in jail I bet they'll find away to make everyone anonymous.

    That's my rant in the wilderness on that.
    We tried that with the DMCA remember:
    The Electronic Frontier Foundation Pushes for DMCA Reform
    FAIR USE Act analysis: DMCA reform left on the cutting room floor

    Things like this don't change, and why should it?
    Yes I want things to change also, but some dummies decided to destroy the World Trade Center and things went spiraling out of control.
    Now security trumps privacy and the people have accepted it.

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    I never understood how people can put privacy above security as a priority - and the whole invasion of privacy whining is over-blown, but if I had a choice between having some bureaucrat reading an email to my wife to pick up some beer while she's out and some crackpot flying a turboprop into the building where I work, take a guess what I'm picking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetchuck View Post
    I never understood how people can put privacy above security as a priority - and the whole invasion of privacy whining is over-blown, but if I had a choice between having some bureaucrat reading an email to my wife to pick up some beer while she's out and some crackpot flying a turboprop into the building where I work, take a guess what I'm picking.
    Doesn't matter cuz that bureaucrat could give a shit what YOU pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetchuck View Post
    I never understood how people can put privacy above security as a priority - and the whole invasion of privacy whining is over-blown, but if I had a choice between having some bureaucrat reading an email to my wife to pick up some beer while she's out and some crackpot flying a turboprop into the building where I work, take a guess what I'm picking.
    I never understood why people trust the gov't to look in every crack they've got without at least having the ability to do the same in triplicate to the bureaucrats, Police, Military and politicians 1ST!
    Or that Gov't somehow always has our best interest at heart.
    Or that they need to look at your wife's email to find a turboprop. Last time I looked they were parked at the airport.

    Getting a warrant and having probably cause is not to high a hurdle to climb.
    No matter what your take on 911 the gov't had more than enough info to stop the attacks. But it was locked up in different agencies that wouldn't or couldn't talk to each other. My wife's email or phone conversation would not bring them any closer to stopping the attacks. Sharing the info they already had LEGALLY would have. they had the info on the underwear bomber but didn't stop him. His father volunteered info and he didn't have a valid passport and it took a passenger to say HEY THAT GUYS PANTS ARE ON FIRE to get things moving. And if that underwear bombers the best they've got we shouldn't be worried , IF the FBI-CIA-etc just do their regular jobs.
    Plus safety in many ways is an illusion isn't it?
    The country wasn't founded by guys saying "Give me safety or give me Death." Being secure in your property, e-papers and effects is not something to be taken lightly.

    I don't buy the gov't line that they need to get more info , WITHOUT PROBABLY CAUSE, or through torture, to keep us safe. BS, BS, BS!
    It's Major BS.

    see you got me started
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    What is this "WITHOUT PROBABLY CAUSE" you speak of?
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    Why the Hell should I have to press “1” for ENGLISH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Doesn't matter cuz that bureaucrat could give a shit what YOU pick.
    THATS the nut of it isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I never understood why people trust the gov't to look in every crack they've got without at least having the ability to do the same in triplicate to the bureaucrats, Police, Military and politicians 1ST!
    Or that Gov't somehow always has our best interest at heart.
    Or that they need to look at your wife's email to find a turboprop. Last time I looked they were parked at the airport.

    Getting a warrant and having probably cause is not to high a hurdle to climb.
    No matter what your take on 911 the gov't had more than enough info to stop the attacks. But it was locked up in different agencies that wouldn't or couldn't talk to each other. My wife's email or phone conversation would not bring them any closer to stopping the attacks. Sharing the info they already had LEGALLY would have. they had the info on the underwear bomber but didn't stop him. His father volunteered info and he didn't have a valid passport and it took a passenger to say HEY THAT GUYS PANTS ARE ON FIRE to get things moving. And if that underwear bombers the best they've got we shouldn't be worried , IF the FBI-CIA-etc just do their regular jobs.
    Plus safety in many ways is an illusion isn't it?
    The country wasn't founded by guys saying "Give me safety or give me Death." Being secure in your property, e-papers and effects is not something to be taken lightly.

    I don't buy the gov't line that they need to get more info , WITHOUT PROBABLY CAUSE, or through torture, to keep us safe. BS, BS, BS!
    It's Major BS.

    see you got me started
    Fair point, but let's look at the outcomes.

    Show me where there were gross violations of the Patriot Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetchuck View Post
    Fair point, but let's look at the outcomes.

    Show me where there were gross violations of the Patriot Act.
    OK but It's late.
    I'll be back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    What is this "WITHOUT PROBABLY CAUSE" you speak of?

    Last edited by revelarts; 07-21-2010 at 10:35 PM.
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