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    Default Well, I'll be damned.....some GOOD news.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18234571/

    U.S. describes Sunni rebels battling al-Qaida
    Infighting a plus, general says, but ‘we’re not making allies with anybody’


    Updated: 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
    MUQDADIYAH, Iraq - At least two major insurgent groups are battling al-Qaida
    in provinces outside Baghdad, American military commanders said Friday, an
    indication of a deepening rift between Sunni guerrilla groups in Iraq.

    U.S. officers say a growing number of Sunni tribes are turning against
    al-Qaida, repelled by the terror group's sheer brutality and austere
    religious extremism. The tribes are competing with al-Qaida for influence
    and control over diminishing territory in the face of U.S. assaults, the
    officers say. The influx of Sunni fighters to areas outside the capital in
    advance of the security crackdown in Baghdad may have further unsettled the
    region.

    "This is a big turning point," U.S. Maj. David Baker said Friday in the
    Diyala provincial capital of Baqouba. "If they are fighting against each
    other, it's better than them fighting against us."



    Even Sunnis who want to cooperate with the Shiite-led government are
    becoming more emboldened to speak out against al-Qaida. In Anbar province,
    more than 200 Sunni sheiks have decided to form a political party to oppose
    the terror group, participants said Friday.

    The clashes have erupted over the last two to three months, pitting al-Qaida
    in Iraq against the nationalist 1920 Revolution Brigades in Diyala and
    Salahuddin provinces north of Baghdad as well as Anbar to the west, U.S.
    officers said. In Diyala, another hard-line militant Sunni group, the Ansar
    al-Sunna Army, is also fighting al-Qaida, they said.

    'Goals ... at odds'
    "It's happening daily," Lt. Col. Keith Gogas said Thursday in an interview
    at an Army base in Muqdadiyah, 60 miles northeast of Baghdad. "Our read on
    it is that that the more moderate, if you will, Sunni insurgents, are
    finding that their goals and al-Qaida's goals are at odds."

    American commanders cite al-Qaida's severe brand of Islam, which is so
    extreme that in Baqouba, al-Qaida has warned street vendors not to place
    tomatoes beside cucumbers because the vegetables are different genders, Col.
    David Sutherland said.

    Such radicalism has fueled sectarian violence in Iraq and redrawn the
    demographics of many mixed Sunni-Shiite towns in Diyala, where tens of
    thousands of Shiites have been forced to flee large population centers.

    Previously 55 percent Sunni, 45 percent Shiite, Baqouba — where rival
    insurgents also have clashed — is today 80 percent Sunni and 20 percent
    Shiite, Sutherland said.

    The rift among insurgents has also been sparked by reports that some
    militants have been negotiating with the government and U.S. officials, who
    are trying to draw Sunni groups away from al-Qaida.

    Iraqi police and security forces — not Americans — have been negotiating
    with 1920 Revolution Brigades fighters, who have said "they want some help
    against al-Qaida," Baker said.

    "That's a plus for this place, and we're going to try to exploit that," he
    said. "We're not making allies with anybody ... but we are monitoring what's
    going on."

    American officers say the clashes have weakened the insurgency. In the last
    month in Diyala, 1920 Revolution Brigades fighters eased up attacks on
    Americans, largely turning their guns on al-Qaida, Baker said.

    On Tuesday, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who heads al-Qaida's umbrella group
    Islamic State in Iraq, urged militants in an audiotape to stop spilling each
    other's blood and unite against American forces and the government. He told
    rival groups he wanted to end their disagreements and vowed to punish any of
    his fighters who kill other militants.

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    Well, I'll be damned......
    Last edited by stephanie; 04-21-2007 at 04:04 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
    Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

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    I'm not really surprised that there is good news, simply that the media is actually reporting it.

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    I've been saying this for weeks. This is also the reason for so many of the bombings of market places and murdering civilians. al queda is trying to intimidate the tribes. There will be more.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

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    This has been happening for quite some time. It's internal strife. Otherwise know as "Civil War."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    This has been happening for quite some time. It's internal strife. Otherwise know as "Civil War."
    No in this particular case it's the iraqi's fighting al queda who are arabs from other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    No in this particular case it's the iraqi's fighting al queda who are arabs from other countries.
    I tried to rep this, but alas. Why are those who disagree with Bush presidency, never mind the CIC, undermining a threat to the country? My opinion, they would rather see hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of their fellow citizens killed and be able to blame him. It's sick.

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    Yep, that's our plan.

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    If the Iraqis are so good at fighting the alleged "insurgents," why don't we leave them to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    Yep, that's our plan.
    May not be your plan but it sure helps your cause and POV, there is something wrong with that in and of itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    If the Iraqis are so good at fighting the alleged "insurgents," why don't we leave them to it?
    They are doing it. They are taking over more and more of the fighting. The tribes are coming over to the side of the government and enlisting in the army and police. They are getting more recruits than they can handle.

    If you notice most of the attacks are against civilians. They are in specific locations that al queda formerly controled. This is retaliation for turning on them. The only reason Americans are targeted at all is to benifit the lib efforts to attack Bush. The dems are being used and they can't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCA View Post
    May not be your plan but it sure helps your cause and POV, there is something wrong with that in and of itself.
    So just how is having hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands killed advance the Democatic plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    The only reason Americans are targeted at all is to benifit the lib efforts to attack Bush. The dems are being used and they can't see it.
    Ok....what you want me to belive is that al-qada is targeting American soldiers in order to further the lib agenda and get at Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    So just how is having hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands killed advance the Democatic plan?
    It worked great for the Dems when Pol Pot killed millions.

    Here's to the spread of Marxism!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
    Ok....what you want me to belive is that al-qada is targeting American soldiers in order to further the lib agenda and get at Bush?
    Hawk had it right. It's the same tactic used 40 years ago. The war has gone on now because the libs are doing their cut and run routine. al queda and iran and the others watch what goes on in this country very closely. They see a division and they are moving to exploit it. The dems are playing right into their hands either out of ignorance or greed for power.
    When I die I'm sure to go to heaven, cause I spent my time in hell.

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