Holomodor

[SassyLady]

Has anyone here ever heard of this? I watched Glenn Beck's show on Friday and it was a documentary called "Live Free or Die" and a portion of it was about the genocide of the farmers and people under Stalin reign. Over 10,000,000 (yes that is ten million) people died of famine in one year due to the policies of Stalin.

As of March 2008, Ukraine and nineteen other governments have recognized the actions of the Soviet government as an act of genocide. The joint statement at the United Nations in 2003 has defined the famine as the result of cruel actions and policies of the totalitarian regime that caused the deaths of millions of Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs and other nationalities in the USSR. On 23 October 2008 the European Parliament adopted a resolution that recognized the Holodomor as a crime against humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The researcher said that Stalin was experimenting with a new type of governance - the government collected the grain (for exporting) and then rationed it back to the people who used to own the farms and who were working the fields. When people started staving he said to "educate them on how to eat less"....................his little experiment to quelch nationalism in the Ukraine cost over 10,000,000 lives.

I think you would call the experiment "socialism" or "collectivism".

This is a quote from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934:

"Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."

[SassyLady]

more info

http://www.holodomor.org.uk/

[Gaffer]

Stalin fundamentally transformed Russia.

Think the nationalizing of farms in this country could be in the near future? I'll bet it's on the dark lord's things to do list.

[SassyLady]

Well, it starts with the indoctrination of the people to a philosophy (in Russia - collectivism) and once they buy into that, then you proceed with collecting everything and making it part of the state and any of those who don't get on board are marginalized and eliminated.

From another thread - how many GM dealerships were allowed to continue doing business as usual - without the blessing of our "gangsta government officials".

[Gaffer]

The indoctrination has been going on for 40 years. They have nationalized the banks, the car companies, and they are working on health care. Farms should be next.

[SassyLady]

The indoctrination has been going on for 40 years. They have nationalized the banks, the car companies, and they are working on health care. Farms should be next.

True - and don't forget our educational system.

[Gaffer]

True - and don't forget our educational system.

They got control of that a long time ago. It's called no child left behind. It's just going to get worse and then the shooting will start.

[PostmodernProphet]

the government collected the grain (for exporting) and then rationed it back to the people

sounds like the Democrats idea of taxation......