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    Arrow *Upon This Rock*

    Sorry bout that,


    1. Maybe God is a rock, a real rock?
    2. And Jesus being God, wasn't far from explaining it to the apostles.
    3. When he said, "Upon this rock I shall build my church."
    4. And when in scriptures it says the "Bride of Christ" is a huge building made out of stone, which will some day be brought down from Heaven to be set in Israel, perhaps that too is a sign, or signal, that God, actually is a solid substance, beyond our understanding, totally.
    5. Just a thought, not that I'm saying this is reality, but it could be debated???
    6. This would be a good debate topic, so I snatched it from another thread.
    7. I know this is a heavy topic, not meant for light weights.


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    No doubt there's someone out there who thinks so, its just as likely as any other religion
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chesswarsnow View Post
    Sorry bout that,


    1. Maybe God is a rock, a real rock?
    2. And Jesus being God, wasn't far from explaining it to the apostles.
    3. When he said, "Upon this rock I shall build my church."
    4. And when in scriptures it says the "Bride of Christ" is a huge building made out of stone, which will some day be brought down from Heaven to be set in Israel, perhaps that too is a sign, or signal, that God, actually is a solid substance, beyond our understanding, totally.
    5. Just a thought, not that I'm saying this is reality, but it could be debated???
    6. This would be a good debate topic, so I snatched it from another thread.
    7. I know this is a heavy topic, not meant for light weights.


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    uh, chess?....since Jesus was talking about Peter and not God, I expect you would have to change that to maybe Peter was a real rock?.....
    ...full immersion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    uh, chess?....since Jesus was talking about Peter and not God, I expect you would have to change that to maybe Peter was a real rock?.....


    1. Yes I can see your point.
    2. And I agree with it.
    3. That is the classical way that scripture is interpreted.
    4. When Peter made his profession and all.
    5. That Jesus is, "The Son of God".
    6. But just look at this from the angle I am proposing, and I'm not argueing for it at all, neither one of us was there, and didn't see what took place, right?
    7. Here's what I think could of happened, lets say after Peter said, what he said, Jesus standing there, touches himself on the chest while saying "Upon This Rock" etc, etc,...Gates of Hell,...etc, etc.....
    8. Wouldn't that make a huge difference to what was being said?


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    I think the best understanding is to consider that space between your ears to be a real rock.....
    ...full immersion.....

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    I've been to St. Pete's. Freaking amazing.

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    Sorry bout that,



    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I think the best understanding is to consider that space between your ears to be a real rock.....



    1. Oh yea of little faith.


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    Sorry bout that,


    1. There are plenty of references to solid rock materials Biblicly.
    2. The two stone tablets that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai, then the two replacements.
    3. Jesus told one that it would be better for some that a stone be wrapped around ones head, and he cast into the sea.
    4. A stone was rolled infront of his grave.
    5. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
    6. They gathered stones to throw at him, and he passed right through them.
    7. Before he was taken in the Mount of Olives, he was known to have prayed on or near a stone.
    8. Whoever falls on this stone shall be forgiven, those who refuse, they shall be grount into powder.
    9. Rock of Ages.
    10. And untold others, all refernce to a rock and could be meaningful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    I've been to St. Pete's. Freaking amazing.



    1. Did you see anything that confirms this debate?
    2. I would love to go myself.


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    Sorry bout that,


    1. This came to mind as well.
    2. When the Israelites were wondering in the dessert, they came upon the stone, where Moses struck it, and water gushed out.
    2. (a) Also God was mad with Moses because God told him to talk to the stone not strike it, Moses stroke the stone, which displeased God.
    3. Moses never made it into the *Promise Land*.
    3. (a) Later in scripture, it was said, that Jesus was this stone that gushed water in the dessert when the Jews were thirsty.
    4. Also when he was dieing on the cross, he was stabbed with a spear, and blood and water came out at the same location, but two seperate streams.
    5. This could have meaning too in this debate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chesswarsnow View Post
    Sorry bout that,








    1. Did you see anything that confirms this debate?
    2. I would love to go myself.


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    Christ claimed Peter to be the Rock that the Church would be built on. His crypt is therefore buried below the main altar of St. Peter's Basilica.

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    Sorry bout that,



    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    Christ claimed Peter to be the Rock that the Church would be built on. His crypt is therefore buried below the main altar of St. Peter's Basilica.



    1. So St. Peters profession of statement who Jesus is, and him; Jesus namimg, him; Peter to being the rock, then decades later, still long ago, the church fathers decided, to actually bury him under the alter to honor him, ofcourse, and to actually build the church literally over him.
    2. Thats a statement, for sure.
    3. I wonder if the buried him first, then built the church, or the other way around?



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    Quote Originally Posted by chesswarsnow View Post
    Sorry bout that,


    1. Maybe God is a rock, a real rock?
    2. And Jesus being God, wasn't far from explaining it to the apostles.
    3. When he said, "Upon this rock I shall build my church."
    4. And when in scriptures it says the "Bride of Christ" is a huge building made out of stone, which will some day be brought down from Heaven to be set in Israel, perhaps that too is a sign, or signal, that God, actually is a solid substance, beyond our understanding, totally.
    5. Just a thought, not that I'm saying this is reality, but it could be debated???
    6. This would be a good debate topic, so I snatched it from another thread.
    7. I know this is a heavy topic, not meant for light weights.


    Regards,
    SirJamesofTexas
    Well sure, Jesus was so literal, doncha know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Well sure, Jesus was so literal, doncha know?


    1. Oh yes, I can now see what you're saying, I gotcha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chesswarsnow View Post
    Sorry bout that,








    1. So St. Peters profession of statement who Jesus is, and him; Jesus namimg, him; Peter to being the rock, then decades later, still long ago, the church fathers decided, to actually bury him under the alter to honor him, ofcourse, and to actually build the church literally over him.
    2. Thats a statement, for sure.
    3. I wonder if the buried him first, then built the church, or the other way around?



    Regards,
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    After the crucifixion of Jesus in the second quarter of the 1st century AD, it is recorded in the Biblical book of the Acts of the Apostles that one of his twelve disciples, Simon known as Peter, a fisherman from Galilee, took a leadership position among Jesus' followers and was of great importance in the founding of the Christian Church. The name Peter is "Petrus" in Latin and "Petros" in Greek, deriving from "petra" which means "stone" or "rock" in Greek.

    It is believed by a long tradition that Peter, after a ministry of about thirty years, traveled to Rome and met his martyrdom there in the year 64 AD during the reign of the Roman Emperor Nero. His execution was one of the many martyrdoms of Christians following the Great Fire of Rome. According to Origen, Peter was crucified head downwards, by his own request.[9] The crucifixion took place near an ancient Egyptian obelisk in the Circus of Nero.[10] The obelisk now stands in Saint Peter's Square and is revered as a "witness" to Peter's death. It is one of several ancient Obelisks of Rome.[11]

    According to tradition, Peter's remains were buried just outside the Circus, on the Mons Vaticanus across the Via Cornelia from the Circus, less than 150 metres (490 ft) from his place of death. The Via Cornelia (which may have been known by another name to the ancient Romans) was a road which ran east-to-west along the north wall of the Circus on land now covered by the southern portions of the Basilica and Saint Peter's Square. Peter's grave was initially marked simply by a red rock, symbolic of his name, but meaningless to non-Christians.[citation needed] A shrine was built on this site some years later. Almost three hundred years later, Old Saint Peter's Basilica was constructed over this site.[10]

    [The present building was built on the same site between 1515 and 1650.]

    On December 23, 1950, in his pre-Christmas radio broadcast to the world, Pope Pius XII announced the discovery of Saint Peter's tomb.[12] This was the culmination of 10 years of archaeological research under the crypt of the basilica, an area inaccessible since the 9th century. The burial place appears to have been an underground vault, with a structure above it believed to have been built by Pope Anacletus in the 1st century. Human remains were discovered, but it could not be determined if they were, in fact, the bones of the Apostle Peter. Indeed, the area now covered by the Vatican City had been a cemetery for some years before the Circus of Nero was built. It was a burial ground for the numerous executions in the Circus and for many years after the burial of Saint Peter many Christians chose to be buried near him.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Pet...e_of_St._Peter

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