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    Default Question for atheists (from another thread)

    Noir said he hoped that I was wrong about God. So, I wanted to ask the question of any atheists on the board.

    Why do you hope we believers are wrong? What do you gain by living (and especially, by dying) in a Godless universe?
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    Personally, I hope you are wrong because if you are right then my Grandparents are currently burning in hell because they did not worship a god. I'm sure you can imagin why I'd not be so keen on that.

    Also if it so happens that your type of god is the only god then that means that countless Billions will be sent to hell through no fault of their own, but merely because of the country they were born in, or the age in which they lived.

    However, you will hope that your God does exist, so you can spend forever in pleasure and happiness.

    Also, I do hate this whole notion of 'your life is pointless without god' are you thus saying you could not live a happy life without god? Can you not find beauty in nature without attributing it to a god? Can you not love those around you without god? To make a statement as silly as 'your life is pointless without a god' is to deminish the life that we have,

    To flip the point around, when i die, you will hope i go to hell.
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    "my Grandparents are currently burning in hell"

    So your family's fucked up through several generations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    "my Grandparents are currently burning in hell"

    So your family's fucked up through several generations?
    From your perspective, yes.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    And you blindly follow. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Personally, I hope you are wrong because if you are right then my Grandparents are currently burning in hell because they did not worship a god. I'm sure you can imagin why I'd not be so keen on that.

    Also if it so happens that your type of god is the only god then that means that countless Billions will be sent to hell through no fault of their own, but merely because of the country they were born in, or the age in which they lived.

    However, you will hope that your God does exist, so you can spend forever in pleasure and happiness.

    Also, I do hate this whole notion of 'your life is pointless without god' are you thus saying you could not live a happy life without god? Can you not find beauty in nature without attributing it to a god? Can you not love those around you without god? To make a statement as silly as 'your life is pointless without a god' is to deminish the life that we have,

    To flip the point around, when i die, you will hope i go to hell.
    Why would I hope you go to hell?!
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    Typical liberal logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    From your perspective, yes.

    Thanks for replying, Noir. I appreciate your honesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Personally, I hope you are wrong because if you are right then my Grandparents are currently burning in hell because they did not worship a god. I'm sure you can imagin why I'd not be so keen on that.

    Also if it so happens that your type of god is the only god then that means that countless Billions will be sent to hell through no fault of their own, but merely because of the country they were born in, or the age in which they lived.

    However, you will hope that your God does exist, so you can spend forever in pleasure and happiness.

    Also, I do hate this whole notion of 'your life is pointless without god' are you thus saying you could not live a happy life without god? Can you not find beauty in nature without attributing it to a god? Can you not love those around you without god? To make a statement as silly as 'your life is pointless without a god' is to deminish the life that we have,

    To flip the point around, when i die, you will hope i go to hell.
    Wow, that's a lot of assumption from you, and you're still not seeing. the first commandment actually does not command reverence to god, it reads "I am the Lord thy God, worship no other gods before me", meaning that if you follow Him, then that's it, he comes first. The idea that your parents would go to hell simply for not having faith in god is one born of ignorance, and of prejudice. I really do hope you have the wisdom to get past those both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Also if it so happens that your type of god is the only god then that means that countless Billions will be sent to hell through no fault of their own
    no.....they will be where they chose to go....it isn't a question of "fault", it's a question of choice....
    ...full immersion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Can you not find beauty in nature without attributing it to a god?
    actually, no...

    To flip the point around, when i die, you will hope i go to hell.
    no, we hope you come to your senses before you die.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Why would I hope you go to hell?!
    Because i do not believe in your god, or any god for that matter. And if your God does exist then he will send me to hell, and ofcourse you must hope that your god does exist.

    So in the same way that you hope that your loved ones who have passed away are in heaven because they believed, you are indirectly hoping that those who do not believe are going to/are in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    And you blindly follow. LOL
    I blindly follow? I dare say you are the one who blindly follows Sir, you only hold the religion you hold because of where and when you where born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Wow, that's a lot of assumption from you, and you're still not seeing. the first commandment actually does not command reverence to god, it reads "I am the Lord thy God, worship no other gods before me", meaning that if you follow Him, then that's it, he comes first. The idea that your parents would go to hell simply for not having faith in god is one born of ignorance, and of prejudice. I really do hope you have the wisdom to get past those both.
    ...so you are saying that people get to heaven even when they don't believe in god?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I blindly follow? I dare say you are the one who blindly follows Sir, you only hold the religion you hold because of where and when you where born.
    Not at all. Although my parents raised me Catholic, during a few of my teen years I was a dumb fuck as well, and didn't reason my way out of it so until years later. You, however, were raised a dumb fuck and continue to be one.

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