the Bible indicates that all will have opportunity to choose.....I have no reason to doubt that God will find a way to ask them.....Originally Posted by Noir
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the Bible indicates that all will have opportunity to choose.....I have no reason to doubt that God will find a way to ask them.....
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why....do you think a beautiful sunset is somehow less beautiful if I think that God planned it?
no.....I would hope you wouldn't die an atheist, if you die an atheist I KNOW you're going to hell.....but at least I will be consoled in knowing you are where you want to be....Lol, thats a different point, if i where to die an atheist you would hope i go to hell.
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Read the book; its a short one, and cheap. He's got some compelling evidence that suggests it wasn't merely a dream. Unless of course you're too closed-minded.
http://www.amazon.com/23-Minutes-Hel...ews/1591858828
Last edited by glockmail; 01-27-2010 at 09:12 AM.
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What a wonderful cop-out. I guess that's the joy of religion, you can change the rules at will.
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
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I haven't changed any rules....as I said, the Bible indicates we all have opportunity to choose......it is an illogical assumption that a deity capable of creating the universe, capable of creating a heaven and a hell, capable of creating a being capable of choice....would then be incapable of communicating with that being and soliciting a simple answer......
be that as it may, it makes no difference to you or to me.....both of us have heard about Christ......thus, if you end up in hell, it is nothing more than where you have chosen to be.....
Last edited by PostmodernProphet; 01-27-2010 at 11:14 AM.
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I have no doubt that most of my family are currently in hell including my grandparents and that is hard to take, however I believe it is a reality. I also have little doubt that my children will also end up in hell as they continue to reject Christ in favor of sins. The fear of people ending up in hell (especially the ones we love) is part of the reason that we try to tell folks about their need of Jesus, the other part is that is our duty! Preaching the gospel is a command. I'm probably in the minority here but Jesus commanded that Christians preach the gospel, it wasn't a request.
God declares that anyone can know He exists just by looking at the heavens and the earth around them. Missionaries have gone to places where there was no gospel ever preached and had people tell them that they had been waiting for them to come because they looked around and knew there was a God. They were waiting for someone to come and tell them more. You want fair play, God is just, He is not fair. Fair is a politically correct creation of men.
I found great beauty in things prior to being a Christian, however I find even greater beauty in even more things now than I ever did before. Seeing things as God's handiwork makes them even more fascinating and beautiful to me.
If Christians wanted you to go to hell then you would never have heard the name Jesus. It would have been hidden from you like some secret society. The fact that you have heard of Jesus is sufficient proof to the contrary.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
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would you feel the Mona Lisa was a better painting if you determined there was no artist?.......or, would it no longer be "art"......
Last edited by PostmodernProphet; 01-27-2010 at 11:15 AM.
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I've got quiet a book list building up lol, and given that i've already watched a video of this guy i think i'll give his book a miss.Read the book; its a short one, and cheap. He's got some compelling evidence that suggests it wasn't merely a dream. Unless of course you're too closed-minded.
http://www.amazon.com/23-Minutes-Hel...ews/1591858828
On a similar note, have you read 'The God delusion' By Richard Dawkins? If not, and if you are a keen reader, i would recommend you do,
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
Plant Parenthood.
No, a beautiful sunset is beautiful whether a God has made it or not in my view.
I said "how sad" because when i asked "Can you not find beauty in nature without attributing it to a god?" You said "no" meaning that you only find it beautiful because you think that a god made it, and not because it is beautiful. Quite ironic that you would then go on to ask me about things being 'less beautiful'
You do not 'know' i am going to hell. You believe i am going to hell. Big difference.no.....I would hope you wouldn't die an atheist, if you die an atheist I KNOW you're going to hell.....but at least I will be consoled in knowing you are where you want to be....
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
Plant Parenthood.
Well that would be logical and fair, but since when need gods be either?
And true, i have made a choice and should that send me to hell, fair enough,
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
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Well at least you're honest about it, in this sense i would see you as quiet a fundamentalist Christian if you do not mind such a label. Rather than allot of liberal Christians which seem to dominate most schools of thought.
Ofcourse God can be seen in everything, it all depends on your definition of god.God declares that anyone can know He exists just by looking at the heavens and the earth around them. Missionaries have gone to places where there was no gospel ever preached and had people tell them that they had been waiting for them to come because they looked around and knew there was a God. They were waiting for someone to come and tell them more. You want fair play, God is just, He is not fair. Fair is a politically correct creation of men.
Fair play, though i do not understand that myself.I found great beauty in things prior to being a Christian, however I find even greater beauty in even more things now than I ever did before. Seeing things as God's handiwork makes them even more fascinating and beautiful to me.
As i said, i know they do not 'want' me to go to hell, however, in wanting to go to heaven, and in hoping that they are following the right god, they must then hope that when an atheist dies they go to hell, because if not then they have it all wrong.If Christians wanted you to go to hell then you would never have heard the name Jesus. It would have been hidden from you like some secret society. The fact that you have heard of Jesus is sufficient proof to the contrary.
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
Plant Parenthood.
It would still look the same, and so would be just as beautiful, in the same way as if the Mona Lisa was painted by a mass-murderer, the creator (or not) of the piece has nothing to do with the piece itself, in my opinion.
If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.
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not ironic at all.....we both view a sunset and see beauty.....I see more than you, because I view the planning and gift behind it.....all you see is "shit happens"......
actually, from here it makes no difference at all......I can see where it makes a huge difference from your perspective......regardless, you have to acknowledge it's where you choose to be....You do not 'know' i am going to hell. You believe i am going to hell. Big difference.
Last edited by PostmodernProphet; 01-27-2010 at 02:50 PM.
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yet you thought it sad that I believed nature had a creator?......how oddly self contradictory.......
personally I think it would detract from the Mona Lisa if I believed the paint had just happened to fall from the sky in that pattern.....
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I've read enough atheist shit and don't need to read this specific one. Besides, I'm not the one risking my eternity...
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