Shame of war

[Said1]

I doubt anyone will read this through or care much, but I thought it was worth sharing. Very long, it's a book.

http://www.irinnews.org/pdf/sow/IRIN...port-Mar07.pdf

[theHawk]

Its a very dark world outside our borders.

And now that liberals have more power than ever in the U.S., don't expect much help in terms of military might to stop tyranny....because they haven't "attacked us."

[Hagbard Celine]

Its a very dark world outside our borders.

And now that liberals have more power than ever in the U.S., don't expect much help in terms of military might to stop tyranny....because they haven't "attacked us."

You're right hawk, liberals are the root cause of and chief reason for the continued existence of evil in the world.

Said1, thanks for sharing. People need to know about the savagery going on in Africa. Many in the US are so pre-occupied with the Iraqi adventure that they tend to forget the dark continent and other wild regions of the world. I've seen reports of women and children having their hands chopped off in addition to being raped just because of their ethnicity--as well as being gang-raped and having their genitals mutilated with machetes. They've got some real barbarians over there commiting some of the worst atrocities in history but we never hear about it over here because western consumers don't like dealing with unpleasant realities--or reading outside their sudoku booklets for that matter. I'm ashamed to say those people are probably s.o.l. as far as US or UN help is concerned.

[manu1959]

You're right hawk, liberals are the root cause of and chief reason for the continued existence of evil in the world.

Said1, thanks for sharing. People need to know about the savagery going on in Africa. Many in the US are so pre-occupied with the Iraqi adventure that they tend to forget the dark continent and other wild regions of the world. I've seen reports of women and children having their hands chopped off in addition to being raped just because of their ethnicity--as well as being gang-raped and having their genitals mutilated with machetes. They've got some real barbarians over there commiting some of the worst atrocities in history but we never hear about it over here because western consumers don't like dealing with unpleasant realities--or reading outside their sudoku booklets for that matter. I'm ashamed to say those people are probably s.o.l. as far as US or UN help is concerned.

yes it is awful.....makes you wonder why we pulled out of somalia and rawanda....

[Hagbard Celine]

yes it is awful.....makes you wonder why we pulled out of somalia and rawanda....

We pulled out because it was no longer profitable or in the interest of the state. War and military action is fueled by money--nothing else. All other reasons are used as political devices for gaining public support.

[theHawk]

We pulled out because it was no longer profitable or in the interest of the state. War and military action is fueled by money--nothing else. All other reasons are used as political devices for gaining public support.

Interesting, we must be making bundles of cash from the war in Iraq then.

[theHawk]

You're right hawk, liberals are the root cause of and chief reason for the continued existence of evil in the world.

I didn't say they are the root cause of such tyranny. As for allowing the continued existence of it.... that seems to be the message Liberals are giving today, since the Iraq War was unjust because we weren't attacked. The liberals' reaction to overthrow of Saddam seems to prove that point. Libs argue we should of not had started this war, and thus Saddam should still be in power....oppressing his people in many of the same ways as the article above points out is happening around the world. I'm not saying every person in America should pick up a gun and go fight such tyranny, I just think we should allow people to do so if they want to. But apparently allowing Americans to volunteer into an all volunteer army to do just that is unacceptable to liberals.

[Hagbard Celine]

Interesting, we must be making bundles of cash from the war in Iraq then.

Defense contractors like Halliburton are making billions.

[Hagbard Celine]

I didn't say they are the root cause of such tyranny. As for allowing the continued existence of it.... that seems to be the message Liberals are giving today, since the Iraq War was unjust because we weren't attacked. The liberals' reaction to overthrow of Saddam seems to prove that point. Libs argue we should of not had started this war, and thus Saddam should still be in power....oppressing his people in many of the same ways as the article above points out is happening around the world. I'm not saying every person in America should pick up a gun and go fight such tyranny, I just think we should allow people to do so if they want to. But apparently allowing Americans to volunteer into an all volunteer army to do just that is unacceptable to liberals.

Eh. It is an undeniable fact that Iraq is in worse shape now than it was under Saddam's rule. Under Saddam's rule, at least people could go to work, kids were going to school and most of the country had basic utilities. Will the people there be better off in the long run--a century from now? Maybe. But right now they're dying in droves. Think the VT massacre was bad? That many people die in Iraq due to sectarian violence every day. The fact of the matter is that Americans are dying too and we know absolutely now that we started the Iraq conflict based on an assumption that has been proven false. Therefore, the war was a mistake and it could have been prevented--just like the over 3000 US military casualties. Not to mention the war was illegal under international law. It's hurting the US' reputation abroad and all studies are showing that it's actually fueling terrorism, instead of defeating it. It's a 100 percent catastrophic failure and instead of getting our guys out of it, they've sent more in to die! And you argue in favor of it based on some primitive concept of "defeat" or "victory." I guarantee you this era in US history will go down as one of the biggest farces in the history of the world.

[theHawk]

Defense contractors like Halliburton are making billions.

Halliburton makes its money from defense contracts, not from robbing the Iraqi people as most libs like to pretend. They've been doing what they do for over 80 years, and are probably the best and most experienced company to do that sort of work. Their workers have to get paid, just like our troops need to, just like suppliers of military equipment do. Thats just the way capitalism works, sorry if we don't live in a Marxist utopia that would dictate otherwise.
You libs love to demonize Halliburton, but Clinton didn't mind using them in Bosnia, and they did a damn good job capping all those burning oil wells your good friend Saddam left burning in Kuwait.


Keep smokin' the good stuff.

[Hagbard Celine]

Halliburton makes its money from defense contracts, not from robbing the Iraqi people as most libs like to pretend. They've been doing what they do for over 80 years, and are probably the best and most experienced company to do that sort of work. Their workers have to get paid, just like our troops need to, just like suppliers of military equipment do. Thats just the way capitalism works, sorry if we don't live in a Marxist utopia that would dictate otherwise.
You libs love to demonize Halliburton, but Clinton didn't mind using them in Bosnia, and they did a damn good job capping all those burning oil wells your good friend Saddam left burning in Kuwait.


Keep smokin' the good stuff.

I never even hinted that Halliburton was robbing Iraqis. It is, however robbing Americans blind. If Saddam was still in power the world would be a safer place than it is now. It's a fact jack.

[theHawk]

I never even hinted that Halliburton was robbing Iraqis. It is, however robbing Americans blind. If Saddam was still in power the world would be a safer place than it is now. It's a fact jack.

I see, so oppressive governments should be allowed to continue to operate, even if they defy international law and treaties, just because they run their country like a nazi regime.
By the way, I think Kuwaitis would disagree with your assesment about it being safer with Saddam in power. Even most Dims agree that Saddam being gone is a good thing. You however, are complete moonbat.

[Hagbard Celine]

I see, so oppressive governments should be allowed to continue to operate, even if they defy international law and treaties, just because they run their country like a nazi regime.
By the way, I think Kuwaitis would disagree with your assesment about it being safer with Saddam in power. Even most Dims agree that Saddam being gone is a good thing. You however, are complete moonbat.

The Sunnis and Shias sure as hell didn't engage in civil war under Saddam's rule did they genius? Terrorism sure as hell didn't fester and gain strength in Iraq under Saddam's rule did it genius? Case closed. Check mate. King me. Whatever euphemism you want to use, the world was a safer place with Saddam's Iraq than we are with the cluster f*ck we have today.

[manu1959]

The Sunnis and Shias sure as hell didn't engage in civil war under Saddam's rule did they genius? Terrorism sure as hell didn't fester and gain strength in Iraq under Saddam's rule did it genius? Case closed. Check mate. King me. Whatever euphemism you want to use, the world was a safer place with Saddam's Iraq than we are with the cluster f*ck we have today.

quick.....did saddam favour sunni or shia?......which did he kill more of?.....

[manu1959]

quick.....did saddam favour sunni or shia?......which did he kill more of?.....

here let me help...http://www.shianews.com/hi/europe/news_id/0000435.php

would this be genocide?.....and the flashback would then be because of saddam no?