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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    A Pakistani?
    You misspoke when you said we had no attacks on the US pre-911. Terrorists bombed the trade towers during the Clinton Administration.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    A Pakistani?
    Did he do anything on February 26, 1993?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Prove Bush Lied.

    (shrug).

    BUSH: Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires --- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Did he do anything on February 26, 1993?
    Yup, That slipped my mind because IMO it was an unsuccesful attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    Yup, That slipped my mind because IMO it was an unsuccesful attempt.
    Amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Amazing!
    He's got a point about it being a foiled attempt. And it was under Clinton's watch.
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
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    where is the lie?
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    He's got a point about it being a foiled attempt. And it was under Clinton's watch.

    Foiled? that assumes that authorities disrupted the bombing. There was a bomb sucessfully planted and detonated but poorly executed. The Clinton administration did nothing to stop the attack.

    So what kind of body count is needed for you guys to care about a terrorist attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Amazing!

    Yeah, but it is the way I perceive it.

    A handful of rogues blowing up parking garages don't register as an attack against us because they are not any different than Timothy McVeigh's attack and lotsa other events in the US.

    I only considered the 9/11 attacks attacks because they were relatively massive, succesful and coordinated like a military operation.

    The death tolls and damge were on a whole new scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    where is the lie?
    They had completely stopped applying for warrants. He said they always obtained warrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBiker View Post
    Foiled? that assumes that authorities disrupted the bombing. There was a bomb sucessfully planted and detonated but poorly executed. The Clinton administration did nothing to stop the attack.

    So what kind of body count is needed for you guys to care about a terrorist attack?
    One person.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosecannon View Post
    They had completely stopped applying for warrants. He said they always obtained warrants.
    Not really. It's just the way the warrants were achieved. Policy changed. That's not a lie. That's a mis-speak at worst...
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Not really. It's just the way the warrants were achieved. Policy changed. That's not a lie. That's a mis-speak at worst...
    Actually, they did stop getting warrants. So, you're wrong. Again.

    (shrugs/exhales slowly/pities dmp/lets out a silent fart)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer
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    3. No attacks on our soil since 9/11
    I think giving Bush credit for this is ludicrous. It's not like we've had few stretches of time where we've been free of terrorist attacks.

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    Democrat hysterics were circulating impeachment petitions against Bush after the 2000 election, before he had even taken office.

    The same trend continues today.

    (yawn)

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