Not sure if you gun owners have seen this

[Jeff]

This was sent to me yesterday and I voted, not sure if it will make a difference but I figured it can't hurt, I am posting this in case some of you gun owners have not seen it

Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2ndAmendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
Here's what you need to do:
First - vote on this one.
Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published.
The Question is:

"Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"

Click on the link below and PLEASE vote
USATODAY.com - Quick Question (if link doesn't work, copy & paste following) http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickqu.../popup5895.htm

[Gaffer]

when they are ready they will ignore the 2nd Amendment and start to crack down on gun ownership. All the voting in the world will mean nothing. They will eventually come for the guns.

[Jeff]

when they are ready they will ignore the 2nd Amendment and start to crack down on gun ownership. All the voting in the world will mean nothing. They will eventually come for the guns.

This is true, it was shown to us with the Health care, but I will try and do it the right way, but right way or my way they wont get my guns

[Mr. P]

Over 6 million votes and 97% "yes".

[Little-Acorn]

This poll has been around for many months, and is carefully mis-worded. The correct answer is: NO, the 2nd does not GIVE individuals any rights. It merely protects the right to bear arms, that all of us had by virtue of being human beings, and forbids any government from trying to take away or restrict them..

The poll is designed to help persuade people that rights come from government documents. They don't, of course. They come, as Jefferson said, from our Creator.

[crin63]

This poll has been around for many months, and is carefully mis-worded. The correct answer is: NO, the 2nd does not GIVE individuals any rights. It merely protects the right to bear arms, that all of us had by virtue of being human beings, and forbids any government from trying to take away or restrict them..

The poll is designed to help persuade people that rights come from government documents. They don't, of course. They come, as Jefferson said, from our Creator.

Thats a great point, LA.

[Little-Acorn]

This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.

Another one?

DC v. Heller was decided last year, mostly in favor of the gun owner. And the Opinion of the Court states explicitly that the 2nd amendment protects the right of ANY citizen to keep and bear arms, whether he is in a militia or other military group, or not.

For this current session, the Supremes have taken a case from Illinois, I believe over Chicago's virtually-complete ban on handguns. Oral arguments were heard last month. A verdict is expected somewhere around June 2010. Did you mean that one?

The Chicago case is similar to the DC case, except that Chicago is a city in a sovereign state, while DC is a Federally-controlled city, not part of any particular state. But both cities had near-complete bans on any useable handguns, and in both cases the pro-gun-rights side is pointing out that those bans directly violate the 2nd amendment's ban on any government taking away or restricting the right of ordinary people to keep and bear arms.

[revelarts]

This poll has been around for many months, and is carefully mis-worded. The correct answer is: NO, the 2nd does not GIVE individuals any rights. It merely protects the right to bear arms, that all of us had by virtue of being human beings, and forbids any government from trying to take away or restrict them..

The poll is designed to help persuade people that rights come from government documents. They don't, of course. They come, as Jefferson said, from our Creator.

Exactly.

[Little-Acorn]

See http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=26734 for some details on the Chicago gun ban case and upcoming verdict.

[Trigg]

when they are ready they will ignore the 2nd Amendment and start to crack down on gun ownership. All the voting in the world will mean nothing. They will eventually come for the guns.

Only if they're registered

[CAPTDASH]

And they will get them too, one bullet at a time. We have a strong movement going on in GA. I think this 2011 State legislative session, we are going to introduce a Constitutional Carry Bill. This will basically repeal all state gun control laws that affect law abiding citizens, and let us carry freely. I open carry an XDM 40 everywhere I go. I never leave home without it. I love schooling the dumbass cops when one approaches me and tells me I can't carry a weapon. I have a series of questions I ask him, and one slip, and I will be filing a civil suit against him and his department. I guess you can say I love using the law against the law enforcers. I usaully just walk off from them if they try to act stupid. I haven't been tazed or detained yet, but I am awaiting.



I hope they come for me. They will get a Ruger Awaiting.

[NightTrain]

And they will get them too, one bullet at a time. We have a strong movement going on in GA. I think this 2011 State legislative session, we are going to introduce a Constitutional Carry Bill. This will basically repeal all state gun control laws that affect law abiding citizens, and let us carry freely. I open carry an XDM 40 everywhere I go. I never leave home without it. I love schooling the dumbass cops when one approaches me and tells me I can't carry a weapon. I have a series of questions I ask him, and one slip, and I will be filing a civil suit against him and his department. I guess you can say I love using the law against the law enforcers. I usaully just walk off from them if they try to act stupid. I haven't been tazed or detained yet, but I am awaiting.



I hope they come for me. They will get a Ruger Awaiting.

What is your series of questions you ask the cop, Capt?

[CAPTDASH]

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)



Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.

The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.



By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)



So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

[CAPTDASH]

What is your series of questions you ask the cop, Capt?

For some good info go to www.georgiapacking.org . When approached the first thing out of your mouth should be," AM I being detained?" If they respond "NO" then move along and don't say anything else. If they persist, ask" Am I free to go". If NO, then you are being detained and for no reason other than exercising your 2nd A right. I see you are in Alaska. I don't know your state laws, but the LEO's still have to walk a fine line whether they want to admit it or not. I usually just ignore them. I have had people call the cops on me for walking around walmart with my pistol on my hip. The cops come and tell them they can't do anything, its my right. These cops have been schooled already, don't you know? LOL. Check out the website I mentioned. There is some good info and links to even gun laws in AK.

[NightTrain]

For some good info go to www.georgiapacking.org . When approached the first thing out of your mouth should be," AM I being detained?" If they respond "NO" then move along and don't say anything else. If they persist, ask" Am I free to go". If NO, then you are being detained and for no reason other than exercising your 2nd A right. I see you are in Alaska. I don't know your state laws, but the LEO's still have to walk a fine line whether they want to admit it or not. I usually just ignore them. I have had people call the cops on me for walking around walmart with my pistol on my hip. The cops come and tell them they can't do anything, its my right. These cops have been schooled already, don't you know? LOL. Check out the website I mentioned. There is some good info and links to even gun laws in AK.

Citizens here in AK generally aren't harassed, but we're not really a normal state - generally speaking, if you're doing anything fun (out in the boonies), you're in a well-armed party and odds are that the vehicle that just got pulled over has at least one firearm on board.

I don't carry in town, not many people do. Not because I can't, but because it's inconvenient to lug around the .44. In the Summer, there's bears. In the winter, there's Moose that like to stomp the holy hell out of you and your snowmachine for disturbing them on THEIR snowmachine trail, lol.

I was curious how you deal with it down in the Lower 48, and shutting down a cop that's already begun on an intercept course could get sticky.