Why do so many Christians say...

[-Cp]

That when you die, you're immediately in Heaven w/ God?

Where does that come from? Where in the Bible does it say that?

[Mr. P]

Why is it you want Christians to see things "your" way instead of their way?

[-Cp]

Why is it you want Christians to see things "your" way instead of their way?

I don't want them to see it "my way"..

[Mr. P]

I don't want them to see it "my way"..

Sure ya do..hey, they can read the same as you but see it different.

[DragonStryk72]

I don't want them to see it "my way"..

then why bother posting topic after topic to just that effect? It's tiresome and boring, because all you do is bait argument. Are you really missing Noir that much, that you feel you must take up his obsession with Christianity? If you really are that curious just go to a church and talk to people there, or take some classes at the local seminary.

[darin]

Seems some ppl are afraid of questions. He asks these questions in part, I'd have to guess, to see if folk like you will miss the point of the question entirely and comment just to insult him for asking.

[DragonStryk72]

Seems some ppl are afraid of questions. He asks these questions in part, I'd have to guess, to see if folk like you will miss the point of the question entirely and comment just to insult him for asking.

We took the questions seriously at first, but answers never change anything, and he simply stops, and goes over to another poke at Christianity on a different thread. I've never been afraid of questions, but nothing changes from the answers given. Look at any of his prior threads on Christianity, and you'll see it eventually. It is the same tedious process every time, and I for one, am tired of the conversation on the topic, and have noticed pretty much all the rest who started off answering his questions feel the same by this point.

He does not ask after Jewish, Wicca, Asatru, Buddhists, or any other religious group, only Christians, and then, even when we answer his questions, he is literally never satisfied with the answers. Like I said, it is simply boring, an argument bait, and has been done to death already by Noir.

[darin]

So - you won't be happy unless he agreed with you or others? This site is about debate and discussion. Do I have to remind you nobody forces you to read the threads?

[DragonStryk72]

So - you won't be happy unless he agreed with you or others? This site is about debate and discussion. Do I have to remind you nobody forces you to read the threads?

It's like trying to ignore the tide coming in. He posts so many he actually got Member of the month last month for the number of threads he started, mostly on that exact topic. It's like when your kid just stands there next to you going, "Dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad..." You try to ignore it, but there's not a chance in hell it'll work.

I'm not even talking about agreeing, just accepting the answers as given, whether he agrees with them or not. It's pretty simple stuff, when you get right down to it. Ask no question you're not certain you want answered fully.

I never once question his lack of faith, or go on about lack of faith, or anything. I respect his beliefs, it's just getting tiresome having to defend mine.

[darin]

You're honestly being silly. If you're fine with that, cool...but talk about tiresome...it's pretty lame when people get so threatened over other's beliefs.

[DragonStryk72]

You're honestly being silly. If you're fine with that, cool...but talk about tiresome...it's pretty lame when people get so threatened over other's beliefs.

I'm not, again, I'm just tired of the questions, as most of us are, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing that out. It isn't about beliefs, if CP really wanted an honest open-minded talk, that would be completely different, but that is not what he is going after. Skipping or tossing out what I'm saying to keep making your own point doesn't change that, dmp. It's the same with noir, but they aren't serious about an open-minded talk, they want to poke the Christians, and it's gotten tired after months of this. It's tired watching topic after topic on the same subject matter pop up time and again.

[chloe]

I'm not, again, I'm just tired of the questions, as most of us are, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing that out. It isn't about beliefs, if CP really wanted an honest open-minded talk, that would be completely different, but that is not what he is going after. Skipping or tossing out what I'm saying to keep making your own point doesn't change that, dmp. It's the same with noir, but they aren't serious about an open-minded talk, they want to poke the Christians, and it's gotten tired after months of this. It's tired watching topic after topic on the same subject matter pop up time and again.

Noir responded to posters and answered questions though. Noir also gave explanations to his background of beliefs and so it was a more intimate debate whether posters agreed with him or not.

[avatar4321]

That when you die, you're immediately in Heaven w/ God?

Where does that come from? Where in the Bible does it say that?

It doesn't. In fact, it talks quite a bit about coming before God at the Final Judgment which is at the time of the Resurrection. So there needs to be a state between death and Resurrection that is often overlooked.

For Instance, Christ told the thief off the cross that He would meet him in Paradise that day (IE the day of their death). Yet, we know from Christ words that after His resurrection He still had not ascended to the Father.

So Paradise would logically be a state between the death and resurrection of the body.

So like I said, the Bible doesn't say that. There is a scripture that states that we are brought before God after we die, but it doesn't say immediately.

[avatar4321]

then why bother posting topic after topic to just that effect? It's tiresome and boring, because all you do is bait argument. Are you really missing Noir that much, that you feel you must take up his obsession with Christianity? If you really are that curious just go to a church and talk to people there, or take some classes at the local seminary.

To think and to learn.

[-Cp]

We took the questions seriously at first, but answers never change anything, and he simply stops, and goes over to another poke at Christianity on a different thread. I've never been afraid of questions, but nothing changes from the answers given. Look at any of his prior threads on Christianity, and you'll see it eventually. It is the same tedious process every time, and I for one, am tired of the conversation on the topic, and have noticed pretty much all the rest who started off answering his questions feel the same by this point.

He does not ask after Jewish, Wicca, Asatru, Buddhists, or any other religious group, only Christians, and then, even when we answer his questions, he is literally never satisfied with the answers. Like I said, it is simply boring, an argument bait, and has been done to death already by Noir.

Dragon - you don't know me or anything about my background so it's all good. But.. fyi...

I was raised in the Ass. of God - my dad was even a pastor for the Ass. of God when I was very young. My point in saying that is like - many Christians - I was raised believing what was being taught from the pulpit without checking things out first hand in scripture and the common sense test.

I don't raise these questions to go after Christians per se but do ask them to get discussions going about traditional views that largely go unchallenged. I think God wants us to question things - "Study to show thyself approved" etc.

You'll find there will be many times where I won't agree with your point of view because I'm at a different place in my walk w/ God right now and you need to be okay w/ that.

Like dmp said, if you don't like the questions I raise, then just ignore the threads I start.