An Independent Investigation of 9/11 And The War On Terrorism

[abso]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860


Read then comment, but before commenting, read all of it.....
http://seanbryson.com/articles/rense...ar_terror.html

[jimnyc]

What a load of crap. I'll be nice since you're new though. Thanks for regurgitating the same 'ol lame conspiracies for us. Every few months we need a reminder that there are people so gullible in the world.

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[abso]

have you even read the article before posting your reply ?

[jimnyc]

have you even read the article before posting your reply ?

Yes, hence the fact that I wrote "what a load of crap".

[Little-Acorn]

Jimnyc, I think that means he doesn't want the Nigerian money.

[revelarts]

I'll read the article later but I do think there needs to be a new investigation. Even the people on the 9-11 commission think there there needs to be one. I've seen enough survivors, family, fire fighters etc to make me wonder EXACTLY what is the gov't hiding this time? I used to give the go'vt the benefit of the doubt but those days are long gone.

[abso]

Yes, hence the fact that I wrote "what a load of crap".

if you think that it is crap, and if you have readen it, then can you tell me some points that you read, and they were untrue ???

can you prove any point to be untrue in the investigation ???

dont judge the investigation from its result, just because you dont like the result doesnt mean that the investigation is a load of crap.

read the evidence, read the points, when you prove that one point is not true, then you are welcome to say so, and please let me know, because i havent read the full investigation yet because of my exams, i will read all of it next week when i finish, until then, if you can verify that one fact is untrue, please tell me.

this is an investigation open for us to verify, if anyone would like to verify any fact in it, then go ahead, when you find something wrong, post here so that eveyrone can know that.

i was not responsible for the making of this investigation, i will verify its facts as much as you will if you read it, i just posted it here, so everyone can read it and tell me their opinions on it, all its facts happened in USA, so the ones who can really verify it, is you people, not me.


but about some of the points mentioned in the starting of the investigation, the writer was just introducing the israelian history, before mentioning the facts from 9/11, that i what i read so far, and some of the facts are:

1- The King David Hotel bombing.
2- Deir Yassin massacre
3- USS Liberty massacre
4- Zionist terror group Irgun
5- The Lavon Affair

6- Admiral Thomas Moorer Said:
"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
Thomas H. Moorer, during an interview on 24 August, 1983

7-William Fulbright - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committee - said this before a national television audience: "Israel controls the United States Senate. We should be more concerned about the United States' interests."

8- Dancing Israelis on 9/11

9- Assasination Prime Minister Rabin by Zionist fanatic named Yigal Amir to prevent israel from having peace with arabs

10- Sabra and Shattila Massacre



i will just comment on one of the points, the rest is in front of you, google them if you want to read about them:

The Lavon Affair:
The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal and several terror attack over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed. It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair.

so in short: they tried to kill americans and english people and then blame their death on egyptians, so that the American-Egyptian relations can be reduced or even to start a war between USA and Egypt.
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if anyone can verify that one of this ten facts is untrue, then go ahead and tell me if you do, but if you cant, then go back to the investigation, find more facts and try to verify them, you may be able to prove them untrue, good luck....

about the 9/11 facts, i am leaving them for you to verify, it happened in USA, so you should know the details more than me, and you should be able to easily verify what the writer said about 9/11 facts, all i know is just a little information from the press, but you have 9/11 survivors, you have police reports, you have everything you will need to verify any fact, which i dont.

[abso]

About USS Liberty, as they killed 34 crew members and wounded 170 crew members.


Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:
I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[jimnyc]

if you think that it is crap, and if you have readen it, then can you tell me some points that you read, and they were untrue ???

can you prove any point to be untrue in the investigation ???

dont judge the investigation from its result, just because you dont like the result doesnt mean that the investigation is a load of crap.

read the evidence, read the points, when you prove that one point is not true, then you are welcome to say so, and please let me know, because i havent read the full investigation yet because of my exams, i will read all of it next week when i finish, until then, if you can verify that one fact is untrue, please tell me.

this is an investigation open for us to verify, if anyone would like to verify any fact in it, then go ahead, when you find something wrong, post here so that eveyrone can know that.

i was not responsible for the making of this investigation, i will verify its facts as much as you will if you read it, i just posted it here, so everyone can read it and tell me their opinions on it, all its facts happened in USA, so the ones who can really verify it, is you people, not me.

I simply believe it's a load of crap. It's not for me to prove everything wrong that is posted, it's up to you to prove what you post is correct.

I will say this much about the website's article though - why do you think "anonymous" only posts a link to Google for the majority of his references, and many of them are not coming back the way "anonymous" proclaims. Why not just link directly to the proof, or come up with a more verifiable way to credit the claims? "anonymous" wants is to run around in circles verifying his/her own article. It would be much more credible if the proof was just posted right there for verification.

[HogTrash]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860

There are numerous examples where the same thing can be said about a lie.

You will most certainly find this out as you grow older and more experienced.

[abso]

I simply believe it's a load of crap. It's not for me to prove everything wrong that is posted, it's up to you to prove what you post is correct.

I will say this much about the website's article though - why do you think "anonymous" only posts a link to Google for the majority of his references, and many of them are not coming back the way "anonymous" proclaims. Why not just link directly to the proof, or come up with a more verifiable way to credit the claims? "anonymous" wants is to run around in circles verifying his/her own article. It would be much more credible if the proof was just posted right there for verification.

what kind of proof do you need, there is alot of info in the article, i havent read most of them, but about what i read till now, its all true, if you can find something not true, then tell me.

what proof did your government present to you that Osama Bin Laden was behind what happened in 9/11 ???

so if you dont think that i can convince you that zionests had something to do with 9/11, then can you convince me that Osama Bin Laden did it ??

then can you convince me that some cave men in afghanistan was capable of planning the most sucessfull terriorist attack in the human history ???

since its a debate, if i cant convince you, then you should present counter evidence to convince me with your point of view, i have open mind, i can read anything you give to me, so go ahead and give me some evidence that Osama was behind it.

[abso]

anyway, lets postpone this discussion, after one week, i will read the full article, then if i found some interesting points in it, i will post them here, so that you can tell me if i can believe them or not, i am not here to argue with you people, i am here to debate, or in this exact article, to get help from you to make me understand it, you should know about it more than me, cuz it happened in your country, you certainly read alot more about it than me, so please when i post a point, reply with your opinion about it, but there is not need to talk about who wrote it, or my experience or my age, we should only discuss about the points and the facts, is it true or not.

see you next week....

[NightTrain]

We are waiting impatiently, Achmed. Tell me you're not going to post Al-Jazeera articles...?

[abso]

We are waiting impatiently, Achmed. Tell me you're not going to post Al-Jazeera articles...?

if you check all my posts, i never post anything from arabic sources, i never post arabic articles.

i just post articles written by american people, so if you dont believe it, i would just tell you that it was written by a fellow american, that would be alot easier for you to debate about, and think about, but if i post arabic news, i will just get attacks and insults more than i already get.

[Insein]

what kind of proof do you need, there is alot of info in the article, i havent read most of them, but about what i read till now, its all true, if you can find something not true, then tell me.

what proof did your government present to you that Osama Bin Laden was behind what happened in 9/11 ???

so if you dont think that i can convince you that zionests had something to do with 9/11, then can you convince me that Osama Bin Laden did it ??

then can you convince me that some cave men in afghanistan was capable of planning the most sucessfull terriorist attack in the human history ???

since its a debate, if i cant convince you, then you should present counter evidence to convince me with your point of view, i have open mind, i can read anything you give to me, so go ahead and give me some evidence that Osama was behind it.

I'm not going to dive into it all again but for the proof that Osama did it, he said he did it. He took credit for it. So unless its a massive conspiracy involving him as well, then I think thats proof enough.