Conspricary #1: JFK who do you think did it?

[gabosaurus]

Oswald did it. But it was a set up. Why else would he be killed the next day?

If you want to know about how it was pulled off, read "Family of Secrets."

[red states rule]

Oswald did it. But it was a set up. Why else would he be killed the next day?

If you want to know about how it was pulled off, read "Family of Secrets."

What did I tell you folks? In Gabby's world Bush is to blame for everything

It is her way of escaping the effects of all that hope and change sweeping the nation

[soupnazi630]

It could not be done by 1 person.

Sure it could.

[soupnazi630]

Oswald did it. But it was a set up. Why else would he be killed the next day?

If you want to know about how it was pulled off, read "Family of Secrets."

He was not killed the next day.

He was killed two days later and this does not prove a set up it only makes people suspicious of a set up

[gabosaurus]

It was a set up. From the highest levels. Read the book. You will learn some pretty scary things.

[soupnazi630]

It was a set up. From the highest levels. Read the book. You will learn some pretty scary things.

I have read it along with about 40 or so other books on the subject all of which claim a conspiracy.

None of then however including the book you are touting offers any real credible evidence they offer only interpretation and supposition.

On the other hand most have not read other books such Reclaiming History, Case Closed or the Warren Commission report all of which do offer real credible evidence that Oswald acted alone

[gabosaurus]

On the other hand most have not read other books such Reclaiming History, Case Closed or the Warren Commission report all of which do offer real credible evidence that Oswald acted alone

Depends on what you consider to be credible evidence. Go to the building in Dallas (I've been there a few times) and see if it makes sense to you. The logistics are all wrong.

[revelarts]

A million stories..
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Oswald "I"M JUST A PATSY"
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[soupnazi630]

Depends on what you consider to be credible evidence. Go to the building in Dallas (I've been there a few times) and see if it makes sense to you. The logistics are all wrong.

I have been there as well and it makes perfectly good sense and the " logistics " are all right.

It makes more sense to shoot from there than from anywhere else for several reasons. One reason is the target was moving slowly and steadily away from him, which makes for an easy shot. Anywhere else and the target would still be moving but across ones line of sight which is more difficult. Another reason is a warehouse by definition makes it easier to hide in or hide something in. The typical warehouse has boxes which can be easily rearranged without attracting attention. Conspiracy fans and fanatics ignore that and also ignore that places like the grassy knoll were exposed to casual view of far too many people ( none of whom saw a shooter ) and had no cover or concealment.

Credible evidence is evidence which would be allowed in court or be accepted by professional peer reviewed science. Sure conspiracy theorists like to lend credibility to the worst witnesses and the weakest evidence because they really have no evidence.

[soupnazi630]

A million stories..
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Oswald "I"M JUST A PATSY"
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You're right about the million stories part but stories aren't evidence. Even FBI agents like attention and are willing to lie to get it.

The evidence Adams mentions concerning Milteer was in fact examined by the House Select Committee on Assassination and they found no evidence linking Milteer to Kennedy's death. The Tape recording between Milteer and the FBI informant does exist but people like FBI agent Adams ( ret.) selectively cherry picks from parts of the tape and uses those quotes out of context. If one listens to the entire recording one realizes Milteer told the informant that a plan was in the works for Kennedy to be killed in MIAMI not Dallas and in fact the FBI investigated this before and after Kennedy's death. The part about shooting him from an office building sounds suspicious but in fact Milteer made that statement after being asked leading questions by the informant and such an idea to shoot Kennedy was a common idea. Kennedy himself once remarked that if anyone wanted to kill him they could shoot him from an open office window. While planning the motorcade route the chief of Dallas police expressed to the Secret Service that he was concerned about all of the office buildings Kennedy would have to be driven past and the possibility of someone firing from one. In fact contrary to popular belief The Secret Service did not and could not cover or secure all such buildings in a city like Dallas ( or any other ).

The picture which Agent Adams uses to id Milteer looks pretty grainy and vague and not a means for positive ID and finally Adams makes several statement which are outright false or which he cannot back up. For example it has long been a staple of conspiracy theorists that No one least of all Oswald could not have fire that bolt action rifle in the time line established by the Zapruder film and this is simply false. Many people using other rifles or even identical copies of Oswald's rifle and in some cases the exact same rifle have easily proven that firing 3 aimed shots at the same distances or greater is quite simple and easy. I've done it myself using an identical rifle. The various experts who analyzed the film established 7.9 seconds to 8.8 second many people can fire 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds or less from such a rifle.

Like many people Adams also states that the Warren Commission report is all lies yet mentions no specifics. Such as what part was a lie and how does he know this or prove it.

As for Oswald's claim that he was just a patsy this is nothing unusual. Criminal who get arrested often protest their innocence to anyone who listens. They claim to be framed or set up or that the charges were set up or whatever.

[revelarts]

You're right about the million stories part but stories aren't evidence. Even FBI agents like attention and are willing to lie to get it.

The evidence Adams mentions concerning Milteer was in fact examined by the House Select Committee on Assassination and they found no evidence linking Milteer to Kennedy's death. The Tape recording between Milteer and the FBI informant does exist but people like FBI agent Adams ( ret.) selectively cherry picks from parts of the tape and uses those quotes out of context. If one listens to the entire recording one realizes Milteer told the informant that a plan was in the works for Kennedy to be killed in MIAMI not Dallas and in fact the FBI investigated this before and after Kennedy's death. The part about shooting him from an office building sounds suspicious but in fact Milteer made that statement after being asked leading questions by the informant and such an idea to shoot Kennedy was a common idea. Kennedy himself once remarked that if anyone wanted to kill him they could shoot him from an open office window. While planning the motorcade route the chief of Dallas police expressed to the Secret Service that he was concerned about all of the office buildings Kennedy would have to be driven past and the possibility of someone firing from one. In fact contrary to popular belief The Secret Service did not and could not cover or secure all such buildings in a city like Dallas ( or any other ).

The picture which Agent Adams uses to id Milteer looks pretty grainy and vague and not a means for positive ID and finally Adams makes several statement which are outright false or which he cannot back up. For example it has long been a staple of conspiracy theorists that No one least of all Oswald could not have fire that bolt action rifle in the time line established by the Zapruder film and this is simply false. Many people using other rifles or even identical copies of Oswald's rifle and in some cases the exact same rifle have easily proven that firing 3 aimed shots at the same distances or greater is quite simple and easy. I've done it myself using an identical rifle. The various experts who analyzed the film established 7.9 seconds to 8.8 second many people can fire 3 aimed shots in 6 seconds or less from such a rifle.

Like many people Adams also states that the Warren Commission report is all lies yet mentions no specifics. Such as what part was a lie and how does he know this or prove it.

As for Oswald's claim that he was just a patsy this is nothing unusual. Criminal who get arrested often protest their innocence to anyone who listens. They claim to be framed or set up or that the charges were set up or whatever.

You said the (retired) FBI guy is a Liar but then explain that he's basically he's telling the truth. you just dont agree with his conclusion. is it possible that the warren commission are "liars" too?


The House Select committed also concluded that Oswald was not acting alone. A conspiracy.
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"that Bay of pig thing"

[fj1200]

The House Select committed also concluded...

A House committee also thought Smedley Butler was credible.

[revelarts]

A House committee also thought Smedley Butler was credible.

Why do you think we wasn't?

[fj1200]

Why do you think we wasn't?

He was going to overthrow the President he supported? Institute a return to Capitalism that he rejected?

Those implicated in the plot by Butler all denied any involvement. MacGuire was the only figure identified by Butler who testified before the committee. Others Butler accused were not called to appear to testify because the "committee has had no evidence before it that would in the slightest degree warrant calling before it such men... The committee will not take cognizance of names brought into testimony which constitute mere hearsay."^[20]

[revelarts]

He was going to overthrow the President he supported? Institute a return to Capitalism that he rejected?

He wasn't going to. he was allowing others to think so based on the fact he was for the troops and the troops were Pissed. Yeah?

Heresay
Innocent peoples homes have been broken into and they've been shot by police with less info.

And Oswald --above-- just said he didn't do it either. A similar corporatism/fascism took over Italy and Germany not sure why its unthinkable that there were plans afoot here too. Many of the people named did support the NAZIs. Frankly I'd take Butlers word for it over the robber barons. Who easily could have put a layer of deniablity between themselves and Butler.