When will Gabrielle Giffords be transferred to a hospital in Cuba or Canada?

[fj1200]

The law is comprehensive and as has been positively proven time and again beyond the comprehension of average right wingers. Every credible healthcare study and the most credible source of Governmental efficiency forecasts, the Congressional Budget Office, all agree that the law significantly lowers costs for all involved and the national deficit by many billions in the relative short term. It's a win/win deal as far as the open eye can see!

Psychoblues

Government efficiency? Wow, you've got it bad. They sure nailed those Medicare projections back in the '60s didn't they?

There was nothing "reform" about it. They did nothing more creative than tax the rich and create a middle class entitlement. We sure know how those come out.

[Palin Rider]

So that would be why HC costs have gone up? More regulations on top of regulations that do nothing but raise the costs for all involved?

You sure sucked down that bill of goods didn't you?

The law isn't even in effect yet. Even you aren't this obtuse.

[fj1200]

The law isn't even in effect yet. Even you aren't this obtuse.

Within one year of enactment (2010–2011)

* Insurance companies barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick, ending the practice of rescission. Lifetime coverage limits eliminated and annual limits restricted.
* Young adults able to stay on their parents' health plans until age 26. Many health plans previously dropped dependents from coverage when they turned 19 or finished college.
* Uninsured adults with pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
* Insurance companies cannot deny group or new (non-grandfathered) individual coverage to children under age 19 due to a pre-existing condition.[63]
* A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
* Medicare drug plan beneficiaries who fall into the Medicare Part D coverage gap (the so-called "doughnut hole") will get a $250 rebate. The new law eventually closes that gap completely. (The old law required the sick person to pay 100% of their own annual medicine costs after $2,700 was spent in the coverage year and did not start again until after $6,154 was spent).
* A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
* A 10% tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Anything else you want to be wrong on?

[Palin Rider]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Anything else you want to be wrong on?

No cigar. That's maybe half the law.

Ping me again in 2014.

[SassyLady]

You're not much in the intelligence department, are you, fj200? The entire point of the healthcare reform is to bring medical costs "DOWN" and to bring the national deficit "DOWN" and to save this country from total healthcare bankruptcy in the short and long term. Do you actually think that the congress negotiated all that time for a bill that would be detrimental to their own constituencies? You are a fool.

Psychoblues

Yes.

I don't think they care about the longterm results of their decision and the impact on those that will have to bear the burden of the cost ... our children and grandchildren ... they just wanted to score a political victory while they were in control of Congress.

And, PB, if you don't get this, I have no adjective I can assign to you ... it's incomprehensible.

[fj1200]

No cigar. That's maybe half the law.

Ping me again in 2014.

You said it's not in effect, clearly you were wrong about that. Own it?

But you're right, it's not even half and already HC costs have been going up due to increasing regulations and the administration has had to grant waivers to how many businesses and unions? In 2014, if it's still around, it will suck even more.

[Palin Rider]

You said it's not in effect, clearly you were wrong about that. Own it?

If the entire law is not in effect, guess what? It's not in effect. Despite your act, I know you get this, so I won't bother to keep belaboring the point.

But you're right, it's not even half and already HC costs have been going up due to increasing regulations and the administration has had to grant waivers to how many businesses and unions? In 2014, if it's still around, it will suck even more.

Hope you weren't expecting me to play dueling crystal balls....

[fj1200]

If the entire law is not in effect, guess what? It's not in effect. Despite your act, I know you get this, so I won't bother to keep belaboring the point.

Hope you weren't expecting me to play dueling crystal balls....

Why would I? You can't even see the past so I know you can't see the future.

[Psychoblues]

Yes.

I don't think they care about the longterm results of their decision and the impact on those that will have to bear the burden of the cost ... our children and grandchildren ... they just wanted to score a political victory while they were in control of Congress.

And, PB, if you don't get this, I have no adjective I can assign to you ... it's incomprehensible.

Then I would have to say that you are also a fool. I intended no adjective. Seriously.

Psychoblues

[Trigg]

psycho,

Did you take the time to read the link I posted?


It clearly states that, the gov. will save money on healthcare, by reducing the already low reembursement it give to hospitals and physicians for medicare and medicade patients.

This should worry anyone who knows anything about the European system. They have a major Dr shortage over there, and we aren't much better ourselves. Obamacare is not going to help the situation. People aren't going to spend 10 years in school if they don't think they're going to be able to make money when they get out.

The American Academy of Family Physicians estimates a shortfall of 40,000 general practice physicians by 2020.

According to the American Association of Medical Colleges (AAMC), 250,000 physicians now practicing were at least 55 years old in 2005. Since America’s residency programs currently graduate only 22,000 new doctors each year, America will not quite replace those physicians likely to retire in all specialties by 2020.

Most of these new doctors graduate with $140,000 in training debt and opt to become specialists of some kind. A recent survey of medical school seniors said only two percent of graduating seniors plan primary care practices. And who can blame them? Primary care physicians average paychecks of around $175,000 yearly

http://www.examiner.com/public-polic...ile_redirect=1


I can't end this without mentioning Medical Malpractice Insurance which EVERY Doctor has to pay. I've pulled out Cali on this page, since they're one of the states with a large population. All the way at the bottom are the 2009 rates, ranging from 20,000 for general physicians to 80,000 for an OBGYN.

http://www.mymedicalmalpracticeinsur...p#historicdata



http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...Medicare/24303

[Psychoblues]

psycho,

Did you take the time to read the link I posted?


It clearly states that, the gov. will save money on healthcare, by reducing the already low reembursement it give to hospitals and physicians for medicare and medicade patients.

This should worry anyone who knows anything about the European system. They have a major Dr shortage over there, and we aren't much better ourselves. Obamacare is not going to help the situation. People aren't going to spend 10 years in school if they don't think they're going to be able to make money when they get out.




http://www.examiner.com/public-polic...ile_redirect=1


I can't end this without mentioning Medical Malpractice Insurance which EVERY Doctor has to pay. I've pulled out Cali on this page, since they're one of the states with a large population. All the way at the bottom are the 2009 rates, ranging from 20,000 for general physicians to 80,000 for an OBGYN.

http://www.mymedicalmalpracticeinsur...p#historicdata



http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...Medicare/24303

First off, if you ever want to speak with me seriously then do not refer to our health care reform legislation as "Obamacare". It actually has a name and it is not "Obamacare". Obviously you are not aware that our congress negotiated this law with little to no input from the President. Much of this legislation was left over from the Dole reform actions of 1996. WTF you may ask? Me, too.

Psychoblues

[Kathianne]

First off, if you ever want to speak with me seriously then do not refer to our health care reform legislation as "Obamacare". It actually has a name and it is not "Obamacare". Obviously you are not aware that our congress negotiated this law with little to no input from the President. Much of this legislation was left over from the Dole reform actions of 1996. WTF you may ask? Me, too.

Psychoblues

Ok, how should it be referred to and with the wrong before, can you answer the question?

[Psychoblues]

Ok, how should it be referred to and with the wrong before, can you answer the question?

You gotta be kidding me, Kath!!!!!!!! And I don't make it a habit of answering frivolous questions except for personal entertainment purposes.

Do we need to speak privately, Kath? Somehow I feel you expect me to not respond in kind to some of these idiots and seriously I don't most of the time. Underlying activities aside I think I'm doing very well but if someone comes at me guns blazing, so to speak, I reserve the right to return fire.

I also reserve the right to have just as much fun as anyone else on this board. Is that unfair?

Psychoblues

[Little-Acorn]

First off, if you ever want to speak with me seriously

(snicker)

Not much point in reading the rest.....

[Psychoblues]

(snicker)

Not much point in reading the rest.....

I know where you're coming from on that one, la!!!!!!!

You devil, you!!!!!!

Psychoblues