Two Views of History

[Gaffer]

But what are you claiming?

There are NO rich influential men?

They DON'T meet together in little clubs to coordinate their actions?

They're NOT devising a plan for world control?

They only have EVERYONE'S best interest in mind?




We've posted the information repeatedly. It just keeps flowing straight through your seive-like skull.

You have NEVER posted specific info about anything or anyone. Just more rhetoric like this. If you want me to take you seriously you will answer my questions. Not direct me to a stupid website.

[TheSage]

You have NEVER posted specific info about anything or anyone. Just more rhetoric like this. If you want me to take you seriously you will answer my questions. Not direct me to a stupid website.

Everything is "rhetoric". you're spouting denial rhetoric. Let's get past that and move onto actual specifics. Tell me which fact you doubt:

Rich men exist.

They make plans amongst themselves, unknown and undisclosed to the public.

They have sufficient control in governmental apparatuses to achieve their agenda.

They MOSTLY have their own priorities on the agenda and are not really that concerned about making life better in the long term for the maximum number of people.

[Gaffer]

Everything is "rhetoric". you're spouting denial rhetoric. Let's get past that and move onto actual specifics. Tell me which fact you doubt:

Rich men exist.

yes they do

They make plans amongst themselves, unknown and undisclosed to the public.

they have that right as business men

They have sufficient control in governmental apparatuses to achieve their agenda.

yes that's so. The rich can lobby congress to get special favors, its been done for 200 years.

They MOSTLY have their own priorities on the agenda and are not really that concerned about making life better in the long term for the maximum number of people.

It's called capitalism.

You still haven't answered my questions. Who is the inside source and how did they get their information?

Until you can answer my questions I will continue to refer to you as adolph with the tinfoil hat.

[TheSage]

It's called capitalism.

You still haven't answered my questions. Who is the inside source and how did they get their information?

Until you can answer my questions I will continue to refer to you as adolph with the tinfoil hat.

It's more commonly accessible knowledge than it is a "leak" from an inside source; though of course, there are many first hand accounts available: Benjamin Freedman

http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm
Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Born in 1890, he was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City at one time principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel, Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.

Benjamin Freedman Speaks:

Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

And capitalism, to be healthy, should be conducted in an open and honest manner, within the confines of accepted morality and natural sovereignty. Borders should not be dissolved to drive down wages. We shouldn't consider products of slaves morally acceptable. As I've said many times, I'm not a socialist, but I'm not a fascist totalitarian either, ya see.

[Gunny]

And I'll repeat my cantations anew. Selling jobs in any way intersecting with our national security to Islamic Totalitarian Dictatorships is dumb as shit. I don't care if they have nice hotels or have built the best polo stadium in the desert. Care to take another swing, magilla?

Anyhoo.

We all know I'm right.

You were wrong then, as you still are. The only real effect the sale would have is who collects the check at the end of the day.

and yeah, HERE's my swing .... I've been to the ports at Dubai and Abu Dabi and their port security beats the Hell out of anything we have going here, to include US Naval bases. So even IF they did provide the physical security, it'd be a damned-sight better than what we have going.

The reality, overreactionary paranoiacs did their best to alienate one of the actual true allies we have in the region. It isn't like we have a bunch to spare.

[Gunny]

Then just think of it as, "a bunch of people who are doing bad stuff, knowingly or not" and quit fighting reality by nitpicking.

I'm not fighting reality by nitpicking. YOU present the basis of the reality as something it is NOT. That's just about as simple as it gets.

[Gunny]

Does it make a difference what it's called while we're being sold down the river and invaded by Mexico?

It makes a difference when you're off fighting an imaginary enemy concocted by conspiracy theorists while the real enemy runs amock.

[Gaffer]

It's more commonly accessible knowledge than it is a "leak" from an inside source; though of course, there are many first hand accounts available: Benjamin Freedman


And capitalism, to be healthy, should be conducted in an open and honest manner, within the confines of accepted morality and natural sovereignty. Borders should not be dissolved to drive down wages. We shouldn't consider products of slaves morally acceptable. As I've said many times, I'm not a socialist, but I'm not a fascist totalitarian either, ya see.

As I said before, give me a name. Not someone that started this kind of thinking back in 1919. Commonly accessible knowledge is not a source. If such powers existed you would not be seeing it on the web or any place else. Freedman would not have lived two days after breaking with the organization. its all a made up ongoing story line. With multiple authers adding their fantasy to it.

I have read this stuff before. There are a number of sites out there spouting the same thing. There's even one site says the illuminiti are controled by aliens and have a special agreement with them allowing them to abduct people in exchange for technology. The conspiracies go on and on. Each claiming to be the truth.

[TheSage]

Commonly accessible knowledge is not a source.

Think about the things you say, man. you're losing it.

[Gaffer]

Think about the things you say, man. you're losing it.

I'm not the one living in a conspiracy theory fantasy.

[Dilloduck]

It makes a difference when you're off fighting an imaginary enemy concocted by conspiracy theorists while the real enemy runs amock.

What is so imaginary about the Mexican invasion?

[TheSage]

I'm not the one living in a conspiracy theory fantasy.

Yet, you're still the one claiming "commonly accessible knowledge is not a valid source." That would include dictionairies, encyclopedias, books on relevant subject matter, news services, etc. What is a valid source in your constricted worldview?

[TheSage]

I'm not fighting reality by nitpicking. YOU present the basis of the reality as something it is NOT. That's just about as simple as it gets.

Describe the false basis of reality I have presented?

[TheSage]

As I said before, give me a name. Not someone that started this kind of thinking back in 1919. Commonly accessible knowledge is not a source. If such powers existed you would not be seeing it on the web or any place else. Freedman would not have lived two days after breaking with the organization. its all a made up ongoing story line. With multiple authers adding their fantasy to it.

I have read this stuff before. There are a number of sites out there spouting the same thing. There's even one site says the illuminiti are controled by aliens and have a special agreement with them allowing them to abduct people in exchange for technology. The conspiracies go on and on. Each claiming to be the truth.

Benjamin Freedman didn't start racist, elitist thinking. I'm certain of it. Judaism is religion based on racial superiority, and a delusional mission to "bring light unto the world". There I said it.

[Gaffer]

Benjamin Freedman didn't start racist, elitist thinking. I'm certain of it. Judaism is religion based on racial superiority, and a delusional mission to "bring light unto the world". There I said it.

your statement has nothing to do with my post.