Netanyahu's speech to Congress shows America will buy anything

[abso]

Netanyahu's speech to Congress shows America will buy anything

It was an address with no destination, filled with lies on top of lies and illusions heaped on illusions. Only rarely is a foreign head of state invited to speak before Congress. It's unlikely that any other has attempted to sell them such a pile of propaganda and prevarication, such hypocrisy and sanctimony as Benjamin Netanyahu did yesterday.

The fact that the Congress rose to its feet multiple times to applaud him says more about the ignorance of its members than the quality of their guest's speech. An Israeli presence on the Jordan River - cheering. Jerusalem must remain the united capital of Israel - applause. Did American's elected representatives know that they were cheering for the death of possibility? If America loved it, we're in big trouble.

The fact that the only truth spoken in the Capitol was that of a former Israeli shouting "equal rights for Palestinians" is a badge of honor for us and a mark of shame for America. Netanyahu's "speech of his life" was the speech of the death of peace.


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...thing-1.363897

[revelarts]

Netanyahu's speech to Congress shows America will buy anything

... Only rarely is a foreign head of state invited to speak before Congress....

The fact that the Congress rose to its feet multiple times to applaud him says more about the ignorance of its members than the quality of their guest's speech. ....


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...thing-1.363897

I think it speaks more to the political influence of Israel over congress and the U.S. gov't in general.



But Abso, If Israel did go back to the "1967 boarders":
would the Palestinians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would Hamas be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Syrians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Iranians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Middle East be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the YOU be happy and be at peace with Israel?

[abso]

I think it speaks more to the political influence of Israel over congress and the U.S. gov't in general.



But Abso, If Israel did go back to the "1967 boarders":
would the Palestinians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would Hamas be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Syrians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Iranians be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the Middle East be happy and be at peace with Israel?
would the YOU be happy and be at peace with Israel?

its not the matter of people being happy, its lands being occupied illegaly, they have to return it wether they like it or not, they can't keep using their security as an excuse to occupy lands, they can't keep building illegal settlements while defying the whole world which asks for the settlements build to stop !!!


does the whole world ask israel to go back to 67 borders just to make Hamas happy or because its the right thing to do ?

and yes is my answer, many people will be glad and happy if israel went back to 67 borders, its a start, something to build our mutual trust on, but how can the arabs be at peace with israel while it refuses to return the lands it stole ???

and you can notice that i said many not all, because you can never make everyone happy and content, but at least you can try to achieve justice which is something Israel is not willing to do.

[SassyLady]

its not the matter of people being happy, its lands being occupied illegaly, they have to return it wether they like it or not, they can't keep using their security as an excuse to occupy lands, they can't keep building illegal settlements while defying the whole world which asks for the settlements build to stop !!!


does the whole world ask israel to go back to 67 borders just to make Hamas happy or because its the right thing to do ?

and yes is my answer, many people will be glad and happy if israel went back to 67 borders, its a start, something to build our mutual trust on, but how can the arabs be at peace with israel while it refuses to return the lands it stole ???

and you can notice that i said many not all, because you can never make everyone happy and content, but at least you can try to achieve justice which is something Israel is not willing to do.

Tell me again why they should go back to the 67 borders? Didn't they gain the extra land through wars waged against them? Seems to me that those lands belong to the victor.

[fj1200]

First of all, if you start a war you should be ready to lose some land if you lose the war. Second, if those who you can't make happy REALLY HATE YOU I would think it's acceptable to desire as much buffer as you can get. And third, Palestinians should work for their own justice and not throw all the hate on Israel. Having land today you didn't have yesterday doesn't improve your life.

[abso]

Tell me again why they should go back to the 67 borders? Didn't they gain the extra land through wars waged against them? Seems to me that those lands belong to the victor.

1. I Proved in another thread that they started it.

some replied to me saying that they started it as a preventive was because egypt was going to attack, and i proved that egypt was never going to attack, Nasser promised USA and Soviet Union that he is not going to fire first, i posted alot of qutations from Israelian leaders saying that they knew that Egypt was never going to attack but they took the chance they had to occupy Sinai.


2. International Law doesn't have anything that legalise preventive war.

3. Even if arabs attacked first, international law doesn't allow the victor to take any lands as spoils, annexation of any land for any reason have been illegal since the formation of United Nations.

[abso]

First of all, if you start a war you should be ready to lose some land if you lose the war. Second, if those who you can't make happy REALLY HATE YOU I would think it's acceptable to desire as much buffer as you can get. And third, Palestinians should work for their own justice and not throw all the hate on Israel. Having land today you didn't have yesterday doesn't improve your life.

again i say israel started it, and losing land is not acceptable since formation of UN, go back to where i posted many qoutations from israelian leaders saying that they started the war to take the chance and occupy lands, they knew Egypt was never going to start a war.

what do you mean by work for their own justice ???, israel is occupying their land, so what do you suggest they do ?

[fj1200]

again i say israel started it, and losing land is not acceptable since formation of UN, go back to where i posted many qoutations from israelian leaders saying that they started the war to take the chance and occupy lands, they knew Egypt was never going to start a war.

Which war?

what do you mean by work for their own justice ???, israel is occupying their land, so what do you suggest they do ?

Their own justice should have nothing to do with the occupied land. They don't live in poverty because of Israel. I suggest they increase the economic freedoms of their citizens, What is your opinion of the non-Jewish that live in Israel?

[Kathianne]

Abso, you are not going to like the source, but the citations you need to prove wrong to complain:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...myths/mf6.html

...MYTH

"Israel's military strike in 1967 was unprovoked."

FACT

A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior and, ultimately, an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

While Nasser continued to make speeches threatening war, Arab terrorist attacks grew more frequent. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.5

Meanwhile, Syria's attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union — which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt — gave Damascus information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.6

An enthusiastic echo was heard May 20 from Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad:

Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.7

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel's only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. The following day, President Johnson expressed the belief that the blockade was illegal and unsuccessfully tried to organize an international flotilla to test it.

Nasser was fully aware of the pressure he was exerting to force Israel's hand. The day after the blockade was set up, he said defiantly: "The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war."8

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight," he said on May 27.9 The following day, he added: "We will not accept any...coexistence with Israel...Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel....The war with Israel is in effect since 1948."10

King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced:

The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations.11

President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: "The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the map."12 On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft ringed Israel.13

By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel's best option was to strike first.On June 5, the order was given to attack Egypt...

[DragonStryk72]

its not the matter of people being happy, its lands being occupied illegaly, they have to return it wether they like it or not, they can't keep using their security as an excuse to occupy lands, they can't keep building illegal settlements while defying the whole world which asks for the settlements build to stop !!!

Ah good. Nice to see you come to admission of the point that you don't care that it would do nothing for peace, and would just end up threatening Israel with further violence.

does the whole world ask israel to go back to 67 borders just to make Hamas happy or because its the right thing to do ?

They ask either because they want more land, in order to hurt Israel, or because they somehow think it's going to bring peace. You have cleared it up, it won't.

[Kathianne]

They ask either because they want more land, in order to hurt Israel, or because they somehow think it's going to bring peace. You have cleared it up, it won't.

There is nothing Israel can do, short of ceasing to agreeing to exist, that will appease her neighbors. Since that's not going to happen...

[abso]

Which war?

1967 war

Their own justice should have nothing to do with the occupied land. They don't live in poverty because of Israel. I suggest they increase the economic freedoms of their citizens, What is your opinion of the non-Jewish that live in Israel?

i am not talking about them being poor or rich, i am talking about their right in the occupied land, we are not discussing their economic position, we are discussing the occupied land which israel has annexed illegaly.

egypt was poor when we got Sinai back, and we are still poor, very large debts, but that didn't stop us from reclaiming Sinai via all possible means, war and diplomacy, when your neighbour occupy your house, you won't think much about geting paid more in your job to be able to buy a new house, you will think about how you can get back your house, because that's your right.

Abso, you are not going to like the source, but the citations you need to prove wrong to complain:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...myths/mf6.html

i won't discuss that subject again, i have already done that and provided quotations for Israelian leaders saying that they knew that Egypt was never going to start war but still they had to take that chance to occupy Sinai.

in short:
US President sent a message to Nasser through the Egyptian ambassador in USA, US President warned Nasser from the consequences if Egypt started the war and urged Nasser not to be the first one to attack.

same night at 3 AM, the Soviet Union ambassador in Egypt asked for an urgent meeting with Nasser, and then he told Nasser at the meeting that the Soviet Union urges Egypt not to start the war.

both US and Soviet Union assured Egypt that Israel would never attack, thats why Nasser refused the requests from Marshal Field Amer to start a preempitive war against Israel because everyone anticipated Israelian attack, but Nasser refused repeatedly and insisted that all Egyptian troops in Sinai act as defensive troops, and never to start the war according to the US and SU requests and assurances.



"King Hussein arrived in Cairo on 30 May and committed Jordan to the United Arab Command—an alliance which also included Egypt and Syria—under the command of Egyptian general Muhammad Sidqi. Amer anticipated an Israeli attack and advocated Egypt launch a preemptive strike. He was backed by former Syrian prime minister Amin al-Hafiz. Due to assurances, however, from the American administration and the USSR that Israel would not attack, Nasser refused Amer's suggestion, insisting that Egyptian forces in the Sinai should only act defensively. In addition, he questioned the Egyptian military's readiness since the air force lacked pilots, the army reserve lacked training"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_A..._and_aftermath


Israelian leaders knew that all the Egyptian troops in Sinai were of defensive nature, they were sent to the borders because of a soviet intel that said that israel is going to attack Syria and Egypt had a mutual defense pact with Syria so we had to be ready in case of war.

They ask either because they want more land, in order to hurt Israel, or because they somehow think it's going to bring peace. You have cleared it up, it won't.

israel should do it's part, then after that, i think israel is more than capable of defending it's border if anything happens from Hamas, but you can't occupy and be the victim at the same time, now when Hamas attack we can say that they are fighting for their land, but after going back to 67 borders, if Hamas attacks everyone will blame them, of course everyone is already blaming them without blaming israel for its occupation, everyone are only concerned about the security of israel, never about the security of palestine.

[Kathianne]

i won't discuss that subject again, i have already done that and provided quotations for Israelian leaders saying that they knew that Egypt was never going to start war but still they had to take that chance to occupy Sinai.

in short:
US President sent a message to Nasser through the Egyptian ambassador in USA, US President warned Nasser from the consequences if Egypt started the war and urged Nasser not to be the first one to attack.

same night at 3 AM, the Soviet Union ambassador in Egypt asked for an urgent meeting with Nasser, and then he told Nasser at the meeting that the Soviet Union urges Egypt not to start the war.

both US and Soviet Union assured Egypt that Israel would never attack, thats why Nasser refused the requests from Marshal Field Amer to start a preempitive war against Israel because everyone anticipated Israelian attack, but Nasser refused repeatedly and insisted that all Egyptian troops in Sinai act as defensive troops, and never to start the war according to the US and SU requests and assurances.



"King Hussein arrived in Cairo on 30 May and committed Jordan to the United Arab Command—an alliance which also included Egypt and Syria—under the command of Egyptian general Muhammad Sidqi. Amer anticipated an Israeli attack and advocated Egypt launch a preemptive strike. He was backed by former Syrian prime minister Amin al-Hafiz. Due to assurances, however, from the American administration and the USSR that Israel would not attack, Nasser refused Amer's suggestion, insisting that Egyptian forces in the Sinai should only act defensively. In addition, he questioned the Egyptian military's readiness since the air force lacked pilots, the army reserve lacked training"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_A..._and_aftermath


Israelian leaders knew that all the Egyptian troops in Sinai were of defensive nature, they were sent to the borders because of a soviet intel that said that israel is going to attack Syria and Egypt had a mutual defense pact with Syria so we had to be ready in case of war.

So you have a huge number of very educated Jews, a very few of which are agreeing with the mobs, we know about that, we have them too. Problem for Israel, they are small and the opposition has no moderating influence folks, as you've now proved.

Indeed, with this last post, you've proved yourself not a moderate, but a person that wants annihilation of Israel. I'm ashamed that I ever HOPED, not counted, on making friends with you. Not possible.

So do you have your Muslim Brotherhood card? Are you ready to kill all those not Sharia compliant? You are becoming whom you feared. Good luck with that, it's not going to get better, only worse.

[DragonStryk72]

israel should do it's part, then after that, i think israel is more than capable of defending it's border if anything happens from Hamas, but you can't occupy and be the victim at the same time, now when Hamas attack we can say that they are fighting for their land, but after going back to 67 borders, if Hamas attacks everyone will blame them, of course everyone is already blaming them without blaming israel for its occupation, everyone are only concerned about the security of israel, never about the security of palestine.

Okay, so you admit that Israel would then have to defend those borders. so what you're saying is that they should surrender land that has acted as a defensive bulwark for them so that they can be attacked again, this time with no buffer between the enemy and Israel's innocent civilians.

Perhaps if Hamas would stop being rat bastards at every turn, people would feel differently, but that's just not the reality. No one is going to cede their only shield while being assailed on all sides. You are asking them to act blatantly against their own survival, and not even for peace or safety. Blaming Hamas after the fact will not do anything for the dead women and children that will result from their attacks.

And why are we trusting Palestine, btw? Given the sheer number of times they've broken treaty and cease-fires, what sane person would trust them again?

[Gaffer]

nassar said he wouldn't fire first. He wouldn't have too. There were plenty of other countries that would do that. He could sit back until it started and then join his allies.

The pals can consider themselves lucky. If the arabs had broken through Israels defenses they would have been going up against American forces. I don't know how many were waiting to go to Israel but my whole brigade was on stand by for three days.