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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I'm aware of the difference, you however are arguing like you'd equate the two.
    it only sounds that way to someone who can't tell the difference between a fetus and an eyeball.....

    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Oh come on... you know she's functioning very well; and quite beautiful I might add, though that's not a consideration in the matter.

    Using such emotional plays are no help. That's like the arguments about rape victims. Its just unproductive to the debate.
    not at all......the argument has been raised that the non viable have no right to life......when does a human actually become viable......I've heard that in the slums of Brazil eight or nine year old orphans survive on the streets......could they do it at five?.....two?.....
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    That's right dickhead...go back to school and learn English. I clearly made the distinction between murder in the last sentence and justifiable homicide in the 2nd. You removed the last line and changed the context of what I wrote.
    Amazing how some think allowing a woman to suck her baby into a sink is a constitutionally protected right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    IOW, you don't deny that you made ANOTHER false accusation against me.
    it's not a false accusation at all.......the reason why you believe the passing of some 90 day mark is significant, as opposed to the 83rd day, or the 97th day is obviously both arbitrary and vague.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    The first trimester is hardly vague.
    but your rationale for selecting it, obviously is.....and that's the issue you are dodging.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    As I previously stated, I have already answered this question in this thread.
    yet oddly, no one here knows what the answer was or where you provided it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Numbers and motive? If that's what you need to tell yourself. The unborn have a right to life, that is the starting point; you're starting point is that they do NOT. So which is the better moral starting point?
    I'm not sure you can claim the moral high ground standing on a pile of bodies even if it is a fraction of the other pile.

    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post

    Amazing how some think allowing a woman to suck her baby into a sink is a constitutionally protected right.
    What exactly does that comment have to do with justifiable homicide or murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post

    If you are not a woman, and you have no female children, obviously you will never understand what is involved in all this.
    if you've never been aborted, obviously you will never understand what is involved in all this.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    yet oddly, no one here knows what the answer was or where you provided it.....
    She wont answer it cuz he doesn't have one
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Though I applaud your retort, I see the starting point as vague. Merely "unborn" seems too broad a qualification. Not to belabor a hyperbolic point, but there are instances of deformities in utero, determined by modern med tech like amino and sonar, which may not naturally miscarry but carry with them little, if any, chance of survival. I'm not suggesting abortion is the answer, but having never experienced such a situation, I've thus not had an instance of consideration, and I feel its naive for me to say it should be criminal to pursue such an alternative.
    Retort?

    So what is your basis for granting the authority of terminating life then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I'm not sure you can claim the moral high ground standing on a pile of bodies even if it is a fraction of the other pile.
    You don't even seem to acknowledge the moral dilemma.

    Interesting take on the outcomes when choice trumps nature.

    The War Against Girls
    In nature, 105 boys are born for every 100 girls. This ratio is biologically ironclad. Between 104 and 106 is the normal range, and that's as far as the natural window goes. Any other number is the result of unnatural events.

    Yet today in India there are 112 boys born for every 100 girls. In China, the number is 121—though plenty of Chinese towns are over the 150 mark. China's and India's populations are mammoth enough that their outlying sex ratios have skewed the global average to a biologically impossible 107. But the imbalance is not only in Asia. Azerbaijan stands at 115, Georgia at 118 and Armenia at 120.

    What is causing the skewed ratio: abortion. If the male number in the sex ratio is above 106, it means that couples are having abortions when they find out the mother is carrying a girl. By Ms. Hvistendahl's counting, there have been so many sex-selective abortions in the past three decades that 163 million girls, who by biological averages should have been born, are missing from the world. Moral horror aside, this is likely to be of very large consequence.
    ...
    Ms. Hvistendahl argues that such imbalances are portents of Very Bad Things to come. "Historically, societies in which men substantially outnumber women are not nice places to live," she writes. "Often they are unstable. Sometimes they are violent." As examples she notes that high sex ratios were at play as far back as the fourth century B.C. in Athens—a particularly bloody time in Greek history—and during China's Taiping Rebellion in the mid-19th century. (Both eras featured widespread female infanticide.)
    ...
    This is where choice leads. This is where choice has already led. Ms. Hvistendahl may wish the matter otherwise, but there are only two alternatives: Restrict abortion or accept the slaughter of millions of baby girls and the calamities that are likely to come with it.
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    JT started and ran a great thread here. The silence from the left is deafening, and even righties who support abortion.

    When they are honest, this is the enevitable conclusion.
    Not to start another debate in this thread, but the same thing happens with evolution, micro evolution in particular, the info from science we have today pretty much, well, no, completely shuts down the idea of the primordial soup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Retort?

    So what is your basis for granting the authority of terminating life then?
    dont be a hater fj
    Free choice-- the basis of human civilization.

    I find mothers who don't take care of their bodies to do far more harm to children than those who abort. I know everybody's gonna get all pissy, life is precious and all that, but what about building a stronger and better world; does that matter any less. I wouldn't advise anybody to get an abortion; I think its just stupid, but likewise, I don't want stupid people reproducing either--so it works itself out with free choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvRPgrl View Post
    JT started and ran a great thread here. The silence from the left is deafening, and even righties who support abortion.

    When they are honest, this is the enevitable conclusion.
    Not to start another debate in this thread, but the same thing happens with evolution, micro evolution in particular, the info from science we have today pretty much, well, no, completely shuts down the idea of the primordial soup.
    Your's was 233rd post-- hardly deafening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    dont be a hater fj
    Free choice-- the basis of human civilization.

    I find mothers who don't take care of their bodies to do far more harm to children than those who abort. I know everybody's gonna get all pissy, life is precious and all that, but what about building a stronger and better world; does that matter any less. I wouldn't advise anybody to get an abortion; I think its just stupid, but likewise, I don't want stupid people reproducing either--so it works itself out with free choice.
    one of the least likely indicators of a "strong and better world" is evidence it's population is willing to kill it's own children.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    Free choice-- the basis of human civilization.
    No, sorry, that is wrong. The natural state is one of total liberty and freedom of choice. Civilization is founded on the restriction of certain liberties (such as the liberty to rape logroller's mother, beat logroller with a rock, and steal logroller's property) in accordance with the social contract and the infliction of the weak's will upon the strong (an inversion of the natural state).

    The rest of your post is basically a pseudo-eugenic argument put forth by Planned Parenthood this whole time: Negroes are stupid and can be manipulated into making themselves extinct.



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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    dont be a hater fj
    Free choice-- the basis of human civilization.
    Don't hate the player. I thought life was the basis of civilization.

    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    I find mothers who don't take care of their bodies to do far more harm to children than those who abort. I know everybody's gonna get all pissy, life is precious and all that, but what about building a stronger and better world; does that matter any less. I wouldn't advise anybody to get an abortion; I think its just stupid, but likewise, I don't want stupid people reproducing either--so it works itself out with free choice.
    I see you're agreeing with my original argument; see post #5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logroller View Post
    dont be a hater fj
    Free choice-- the basis of human civilization.

    I find mothers who don't take care of their bodies to do far more harm to children than those who abort. I know everybody's gonna get all pissy, life is precious and all that, but what about building a stronger and better world; does that matter any less. I wouldn't advise anybody to get an abortion; I think its just stupid, but likewise, I don't want stupid people reproducing either--so it works itself out with free choice.
    Yep, over 230 posts, yet they never answered the question.
    All they could come up with was "its already been answered", they wouldnt even give us a post # to find the answer, because it doesn't exist, because there is no answer.
    The deafening is in regards to hearing the answer and the lack of posts the last few days

    Free choice for humans, all humans? Then the unborn child should have a choice. That again takes us to the question, WHEN does it become an INDIVIDUAL living human organism?
    As for choice, we do know that during abortions, the child fights to stay alive, only beings wanting to choose life will do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvRPgrl View Post
    Yep, over 230 posts, yet they never answered the question.
    All they could come up with was "its already been answered", they wouldnt even give us a post # to find the answer, because it doesn't exist, because there is no answer.
    The deafening is in regards to hearing the answer and the lack of posts the last few days

    Free choice for humans, all humans? Then the unborn child should have a choice. That again takes us to the question, WHEN does it become an INDIVIDUAL living human organism?
    As for choice, we do know that during abortions, the child fights to stay alive, only beings wanting to choose life will do that.
    But I did answer the question of how I arrived at the first trimester restriction. You chose to ignore my answer. I also said there are clear lines between conception and birth, for example, the start of the fetal heartbeat. You chose to pretend that because I didn't enumerate all of those lines that they don't exist. Further, you then asked me to provide an event that marks the end of the first and beginning of the second trimester. Having never made a claim that such an event exists, I chose to ignore the question.

    I find it remarkable that you piss and moan about unanswered questions while continually avoiding answering mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Interesting take on the outcomes when choice trumps nature.

    The War Against Girls
    This is a practice that should be illegal. Gender is not a birth defect. Further, all of these abortions are taking place well after the first trimester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvRPgrl View Post
    Yep, over 230 posts, yet they never answered the question.
    All they could come up with was "its already been answered", they wouldnt even give us a post # to find the answer, because it doesn't exist, because there is no answer.
    The deafening is in regards to hearing the answer and the lack of posts the last few days

    Free choice for humans, all humans? Then the unborn child should have a choice. That again takes us to the question, WHEN does it become an INDIVIDUAL living human organism?
    As for choice, we do know that during abortions, the child fights to stay alive, only beings wanting to choose life will do that.
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