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    Default Hatred for the poor

    This is an inspiring autobiography of a Russian-Jewish son of an immigrant who grew up in the ghettos, served as a bombadier in WWII, became an influential activist in the civil rights and Vietnam War era, became a world renowned professor and changed the face of American history with his first book A People's History of the United States.

    From Howard Zinn's You Can't Remain Neutral on a Moving Train p.165:

    "[talking about growing up in the Brooklyn ghettos and his father's constant struggle to earn a living]

    All his life he worked hard for very little. I've always resented the smug statements of politicians, media commentators, corporate executives who talk of how, in America, if you worked hard you would become rich. The meaning of that was if you were poor it was because you hadn't worked hard enough. I knew this was a lie, about my father and millions of others, men and women who worked harder than anyone, harder than financiers and politicians, harder than anybody if you accept that when you work at an unpleasant job that makes it very hard work indeed."



    Sadly, though my parents worked hard, succeeded and I was fortunate enough to grow up in the middle class--I agree with Zinn. I understand that there will always be people who abuse the system. But just like the poor and disadvantaged, there are wealthy and influential corporate fat cats who cheat the system on a daily basis. Yet those who "despise" the poor never seem to treat the rich the same way. When I say "despise," I mean exactly as Zinn says. It seems as though the poor are blamed for making that "choice" in life. It seems as though the poor in our society are somehow not really that poor. It seems as though the poor are blamed for the very situation they are in and struggling to get out of. And it's the poor and their advocates that take money out of my paycheck!

    Why these beliefs? Simply because people don't want to pay taxes. They don't like someone telling them how to use their "hard-earned" money; they want more for their own use. Somehow giving a little to uplift all of society is evil because its liberal, Democratic, progressive, or socialist. To me, it reeks of greed. Guess what Americans: if you don't like it, get politically involved and lets push for a more direct democracy. Until this happens, I somehow doubt that without force, every beggar on the street would receive $5 from you every time you pass by.

    When I asked an admitted "conservative," Why should a CEO earn a billion dollars a year and his janitor $5 an hour, he replied: because he can. To look at the true richness of a society all you need to do is look at how the poorest person lives. I don't mean to pidgeonhole all conservatives, right-wingers or Republicans because indeed there are some in those groups who would agree. Of course they then would be labeled by their fellow ideologues as "not really conservative."

    This idea that the poor drain our tax dollars is absolutely untrue. Somehow, spending tax dollars on education, healthcare, and poverty is a waste--yet, outspending all other nations combined on defense contractors is a-ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar..._United_States as is spending more than any other domestice budget item http://www.cdi.org/issues/discret.html. Meanwhile, China spends a tenth of our budget on electronic countermeasures to our high-tech, high dollar offensive weapons.

    Abandoning the poor in our society because we believe it is their "choice" is equivalent to abandoning a family member in need. Bottomline: most of us would never do it. Now if you had to continually bail that family member out, understandably you would have to draw the line. The same is true for any social welfare program. But the mentality that the majority of the poor truly need the help must be there first. Everyone makes mistakes in life. Just because you have been fairly fortunate, predicted the right paths, and picked the right choices doesn't mean misfortune can befall you at any moment. To deny those who have fallen short in life is not Christian nor is it American.

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    I know that not all poor people are lazy, but many of them are, and those who are are usually the ones who scream the loudest for handouts. Not all people who are poor earned it. Same for the rich. However, I don't want the government determining how best to help the poor. I give my time and money to the poor all the time, and I don't want money taken from me, by force, and given to, for example, Katrina leeches.

    By the way, the poor in America aren't that bad off. The standard of living for the average person in America living below the poverty line is higher than the standard of living for the average European.
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    Name one thing the government does better than the private sector and I'll show you something that requires the use of force to accomplish.

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    The poor in our society really arent that poor. Even the poorest among us are among the richest 5% of the world.

    And to claim there is no reason a janitor should be paid any less than a CEO is a complete and utter joke. One of them worked hard to get the training and skills needed to get a better job. They have sacrificed. The other hasnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post

    By the way, the poor in America aren't that bad off. The standard of living for the average person in America living below the poverty line is higher than the standard of living for the average European.
    Is that right? So what's the standard of living for "the average European"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    The poor in our society really arent that poor. Even the poorest among us are among the richest 5% of the world.
    ...........
    Where did you find that statistic?
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    Worse - the poor in our society are poor by CHOICE.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Worse - the poor in our society are poor by CHOICE.
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    95% of them ARE poor by choice. Very few people are actually destitute due to uncontrollable circumstances.

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    Keeping your pants zipped/legs closed until you can afford children has an uncanny way of helping you stay out of poverty. As does working at your schoolwork and having a good work ethic in general. Generations of immigrants have done it. It's not rocket science.
    After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Know any Poor people?
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Keeping your pants zipped/legs closed until you can afford children has an uncanny way of helping you stay out of poverty. As does working at your schoolwork and having a good work ethic in general. Generations of immigrants have done it. It's not rocket science.
    Bah - C'mon...you're SO OLD SKEWL! People are GONNA have sex! Instead of telling them information to HELP them - let's coddle their behavior and just hand out condoms at schools and stuff! GOD FORBID a Conservative try to teach the TRUTH of your words to people too self-centered to listen.

    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shattered View Post
    95% of them ARE poor by choice. Very few people are actually destitute due to uncontrollable circumstances.
    Eggs Zachary.

    From the entitlement-poor people we hear sound bites such as this old gem:

    "I shouldn't have to work two jobs to make ends meet!"

    dmp's response: "What YOU so special as to feel you DESERVE an easy life, lady?"
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Eggs Zachary.

    From the entitlement-poor people we hear sound bites such as this old gem:

    "I shouldn't have to work two jobs to make ends meet!"

    dmp's response: "What YOU so special as to feel you DESERVE an easy life, lady?"
    *shrug* You need to work as many jobs as necessary to support the lifestyle you think you're entitled to.

    Hell.. My parents didn't even buy me a car when I was 16. If I wanted a car, I had to buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shattered View Post
    *shrug* You need to work as many jobs as necessary to support the lifestyle you think you're entitled to.

    Hell.. My parents didn't even buy me a car when I was 16. If I wanted a car, I had to buy it.
    ...you POOR child! (gasp!) having to (gasp!) Take Responsibility to EARN what you Get!!??? How EVER did you cope?!?!!

    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    ...you POOR child! (gasp!) having to (gasp!) Take Responsibility to EARN what you Get!!??? How EVER did you cope?!?!!

    Not sure, but 37..I mean..29 years later, I'm still alive to tell about it. Hell, next I'll be expected to pay for the $5k Viking range I want installed in my kitchen..

    Damn the injustice of it all.

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