Does God Exist?

[Pale Rider]

God, whoever that person is to "you", exists in your mind, heart and soul. If you don't have him there, then he doesn't exist to you.

[Grumplestillskin]

I rarely post in religious threads, but I've gotta say this is silly. I witness conversations taking place not attempted conversions.

If you think either of the Pemberton boys wouldn't try and convert you in an instant, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. It is as basic to fundie Christians as a tool kit is to a mechanic. Look, I ain't saying it shouldn't be done, and I was not forced to participate on this board, but I call a spade a spade. Again, nothing wrong with it either...

[MtnBiker]

If you think either of the Pemberton boys wouldn't try and convert you in an instant,

I'll say again, I haven't witness any attempt on this board to convert someone. I have witness open discussion. Trying to cliam such discussion otherwise is a mischaracterization.

[Grumplestillskin]

Yeah... but I keep thinking that on a new board, people are gonna see, not one, not two, but like three threads on this stuff at the top and go :eek2:

Huh? What's problem? It's a religion folder?? And so what if people think that, they don't have to post on the thread??

[jillian]

Huh? What's problem? It's a religion folder?? And so what if people think that, they don't have to post on the thread??

Cause he did a bunch in a row and -cp likes "Christians only" threads. Was commenting more on the quantity than on the raising of the issue. No censorship involved.... don't believe in it.

[Gaffer]

He's keeping them in the regious folders and not carrying things to other threads like a certain person we all know likes to do. At least we now have some posts in the religious threads.

[darin]

Cause he did a bunch in a row and -cp likes "Christians only" threads. Was commenting more on the quantity than on the raising of the issue. No censorship involved.... don't believe in it.

So what's the problem? There are a number of Christians on this board; it's very reasonable to post a thread asking for THEIR perspective. So often many folk who attempt to use a thread, specifically asking for a CHRISTIAN point of view, to belittle and flame and derail those of us who Believe. As mentioned - if users don't like the nature of ANY thread, they are MORE than welcome to keep from replying.

[darin]

He's keeping them in the regious folders and not carrying things to other threads like a certain person we all know likes to do. At least we now have some posts in the religious threads.

Exactly. It's good discussion/debate so far - with very few people replying ONLY to belittle, etc.

[Gaffer]

Exactly. It's good discussion/debate so far - with very few people replying ONLY to belittle, etc.

Thanks for the rep. I agree it doesn't need to be full of belittling. I just enjoy a good discussion. I believe in facts, science and common sense.

[Gunny]

It's called religious fundamentalism Jillian. They try and convert you with their own brand of gobbledegook. Let them have their say. Doesn't really matter what type of board it is, its' good to know who's who...

You seeing this as religious fundamentalism and attempted conversion, a dismissive attitude you generally express in most religious threads, is every bit as extreme as any religious fundamentalism.

It is possible to discuss religion on an intellectual level.

[Grumplestillskin]

You seeing this as religious fundamentalism and attempted conversion, a dismissive attitude you generally express in most religious threads, is every bit as extreme as any religious fundamentalism.

Why? I'm not trying to convert anybody or force my opinion on anybody. I'm just giving my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

It is possible to discuss religion on an intellectual level.

With moderate religious folk? Absolutely...

[Gunny]

Why? I'm not trying to convert anybody or force my opinion on anybody. I'm just giving my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.



With moderate religious folk? Absolutely...

To hear you tell it, there's no such thing.

[Grumplestillskin]

To hear you tell it, there's no such thing.

Boooollllshheeeeet. Of course there is. Darin and Cp are fundies and I address them as such. The likes of Jillian and yourself aren't.

[Norse_soul]

Personally, I think that Religion is the problem. Everyone knows what is right and wrong. There is no such thing as "origional sin" or even a concept of sin. There is only right and wrong 'depending upon circumstance'. If you kill someone is it wrong? I firmly believe it depends upon the reason. Did you get in a drunken fight, or were you defending your family, or defending an old woman being attacked on the street. The christian religions are the worst for 'written in stone' sins. Thou shalt not kill. Look at nature to know the truth...

[Gunny]

Personally, I think that Religion is the problem. Everyone knows what is right and wrong. There is no such thing as "origional sin" or even a concept of sin. There is only right and wrong 'depending upon circumstance'. If you kill someone is it wrong? I firmly believe it depends upon the reason. Did you get in a drunken fight, or were you defending your family, or defending an old woman being attacked on the street. The christian religions are the worst for 'written in stone' sins. Thou shalt not kill. Look at nature to know the truth...

The Christian religion is no worse than any others where "right and wrong" is concerned. And while your approach to right and wrong may make sense to you, it would not make sense to a 13th century Japanese samurai. Nor does it make sense in some of these Third World countries where life is cheap.

There is no universal right and wrong.

Using nature as your standard, are you saying the natural selection/survival of the fittest is the determining factor for right and wrong?