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    Default Hey Rev ... what do you know about HAARP

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    I guess the earthquake in Japan was the earthquake machine as well. I thought Bush only had a hurricane machine. I guess he turned all that stuff over to the dark one. That explains why it's mostly our allies experiencing earthquakes. I wonder if they got this stuff out of the Quibbler? ranks right up there with nargels and snortsnakles.
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    I was looking up "failed weapons test" when that popped up. Never heard of this one before so thought I'd see if anyone else had heard about this.
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    I heard a little about it when chevez first started ranting about it. But it didn't get much coverage. This is the first article that went into more detail. It's really funny. And I know there are people out there that really believe this stuff. I guess the states that don't follow the dark ones demands better watch out for earthquakes next year.
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    Yep, I've heard of that.
    Chavez and some loose canon soviet leader both have said that the U.S. caused some of the big quakes over the past few years. They can never produce any proof of course. But they can make accusation because they know that the US has the tech to do it. The HARPP thing is real and it could do it, or several other really bad things.

    When I 1st heard of this it sounded like SCi-Fi but I'm convinced the tech is possible and there's a working model in Alaska under US control. the thing that put me over the edge is that we --the US gov't-- signed a treaty in 1977 and in 1980 ratified it titled
    "CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES"

    article II states
    "As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space."

    the addendum has an explianer which states
    "Understanding Relating to Article II
    It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.

    It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.

    It is recognized, moreover, that the list of examples set out above is not exhaustive. Other phenomena which could result from the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II could also be appropriately included. The absence of such phenomena from the list does not in any way imply that the undertaking contained in Article I would not be applicable to those phenomena, provided the criteria set out in that article were met. "


    http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/enmod/text/environ2.htm
    http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm

    That was 1980, 30 years ago.


    Don't have a date for this quote but somehow the U.S. Airforce didn't get the memo because they wrote.
    ""[Weather modification] offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary... Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies." (US Air Force document AF 2025 Final Report)"

    From a interesting article on "climate change" here are a few quotes about the HAARP program.

    ""...In February 1998, however, the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy held public hearings in Brussels on the U.S based weather warfare facility developed under the HAARP program.

    The Committee's "Motion for Resolution" submitted to the European Parliament:

    "Considers HAARP.[The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program based in Alaska].. by virtue of its far-reaching impact on the environment to be a global concern and calls for its legal, ecological and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body...; [the Committee] regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration... to give evidence to the public hearing ...into the environmental and public risks [of] the HAARP program." (European Parliament, Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defense Policy, Brussels, doc. no. A4-0005/99, 14 January 1999)...."

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=16413

    From items I've picked up, HAARP may not be the ONLY method that might used to create earthquakes. Tesla over 100 years ago was said to have experimented with small mechanical resonance devices attached to building columns that, in 1 reported case, shook buildings for blocks in every direction with earthquake force.


    Strange world huh?

    But there's no good evidence that i know of that would point to the U.S. use of the weapon, testing or otherwise. though nearly every bad quake that comes along someone is blaming the U.S. gov't and the HARRP facility in Alaska. the big one In China I saw some accusations flying there to. The funny about that was they were near some nuke plants to I think. plenty of fuel for the conspiracy theorist files with that so called "strategic" placement.
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    So the agreement was signed 30 years ago ... how long has this HAARP been active?

    And the agreement expressly forbids the military from creating this type of weapon .. an environmental weapon ... however, what if a government, or private entity, was experimenting and caused a problem. Would they be as severely punished?

    At any rate, does it seem odd that we've had some really major quakes over the last few years, a couple of which have caused massive tsunamis? And, if it is located in Alaska how does it work in areas like Japan, New Zealand and Haiti? Does seem kinda "star wars" sci-fi ... like a giant ray gun that directs a frequency at a spot on earth and causes disruptions.
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    Chloe posted some links a short time ago about the HARRP facility in Alaska.
    http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...ighlight=haarp
    And another thread a loong time ago, that i can't find.

    But if you go to Youtube, type in Haarp and earthquake you learn more than you ever wanted to know.

    the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory show did a piece on it and it's not a bad summery if you get by the chessy staging of the "investigation".

    But the Haarp Radio towers Bounce High frequency radio waves off the Ionosphere back down to nearly any point on earth. The science says that those waves - at the right frequencies-- can cause quakes. the official line -I believe- is that they use it communicate with Navy Subs and experiments with the ionosphere.
    And Yes there are more than one Around. the Russians have a couple and I believe a few other European countries.. I wouldn't be surprised if some private org hasn't put one together. seems all you'd need for the basic set up is some land a lot of towers and a lot of Juice i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Chloe posted some links a short time ago about the HARRP facility in Alaska.
    http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...ighlight=haarp
    And another thread a loong time ago, that i can't find.

    But if you go to Youtube, type in Haarp and earthquake you learn more than you ever wanted to know.

    the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory show did a piece on it and it's not a bad summery if you get by the chessy staging of the "investigation".

    But the Haarp Radio towers Bounce High frequency radio waves off the Ionosphere back down to nearly any point on earth. The science says that those waves - at the right frequencies-- can cause quakes. the official line -I believe- is that they use it communicate with Navy Subs and experiments with the ionosphere.
    And Yes there are more than one Around. the Russians have a couple and I believe a few other European countries.. I wouldn't be surprised if some private org hasn't put one together. seems all you'd need for the basic set up is some land a lot of towers and a lot of Juice i think.
    Well, now I wish I hadn't asked. Thanks for the info ... guess I forgot or missed the earlier threads.
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    Is algore aware of this stuff?
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    Last edited by revelarts; 10-06-2024 at 09:38 AM.
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    13 year necro.... I think that's a new record.

    It's interesting to me how widespread the conspiracy theories are for weather control. It was a powerful storm that did a lot of damage, just like has always happened, but there's a LOT of people convinced that it was a manmade hurricane.

    If weather control was a thing, Moscow, Bejing, Havana, Pyonyang and Baghdad would have been destroyed decades ago right about the time it's alleged to have been invented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Cloud seeding has been around since before I can remember. IIRC, with dubious success at best.

    I'm no expert on the topic. I know enough about Man to know that every time he fucks with nature something turns to shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Cloud seeding has been around since before I can remember. IIRC, with dubious success at best.

    I'm no expert on the topic. I know enough about Man to know that every time he fucks with nature something turns to shit.
    Dubai flooded themselves for the first time in history with cloud seeding.

    And some states here in the US are pretty serious about it.

    https://www.truth11.com/8-states-banning-chemtrails/

    Tennessee

    On April 11, 2024 Tennessee Governor Bill Lee signed SB 2691 (formerly HB 2063) into law. The new law goes into effect on July 1. SB 2691 was introduced by Representative Monty Fritts (R) and had 14 co-sponsors.

    The law is very brief. It amends an already existing law. It simply states that, “The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited.” Violators face charges of a class C misdemeanor with fines of up to $10K per day, per violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    13 year necro.... I think that's a new record.

    It's interesting to me how widespread the conspiracy theories are for weather control. It was a powerful storm that did a lot of damage, just like has always happened, but there's a LOT of people convinced that it was a manmade hurricane.

    If weather control was a thing, Moscow, Bejing, Havana, Pyonyang and Baghdad would have been destroyed decades ago right about the time it's alleged to have been invented.
    UN
    Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques
    New York, 10 December 1976
    https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en
    ....Article I
    1. Each State Party to this Convention undertak _s not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, d~~ge or injury to any other State Party.
    2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, _sroup of States or international organizati on to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.

    Article II
    As used in article I, the term "environmental modification techniques"
    refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes - the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.

    Article III
    1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
    ...
    https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en


    DAILY MAIL
    February 2015
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-droughts.html
    Can Russia control the weather? Climate researcher says CIA fears hostile nations are triggering floods and droughts
    •CIA chiefs fear hostile nations are trying to manipulate the world’s weather
    •Academic has told of mysterious phone call asking whether foreign countries could be triggering droughts or flooding
    •CIA is believed to have helped fund a major report into geoengineering


    Smithsonian Magazine .com
    December 2011
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...eapon-1777409/
    Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon
    In the 1950s, some U.S. scientists warned that, without immediate action, the Soviet Union would control the earth’s thermometers



    Majorie Taylor Greene any anyone who else who wonders about it is just a "crazy" conspiracy theorist though.
    No on should ever seriously wonder if any storm was man made ... or directed.. or enhanced... or anything like that.
    Weather Control is not a thing.... right?
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    No, Rev, I'm not saying that man hasn't tried to control weather, because it's well documented that we have tried. It's far too complex to predict what will happen when weather is tampered with. I remember reading about an experiment back in the 50s or early 60s when the US military seeded a small quall out in the Atlantic and it morphed into a Cat4 or Cat5 beast that made landfall and beat the hell out of the American coast states. It's impossible to say with certainty that it wouldn't have done that by itself anyway, but the strong suspicion is that it was greatly enhanced accidentally by the experiment before it ultimately petered out and dispersed normally. Kind of a Butterfly Effect on steroids.

    My position is that we learned from those experiments and realized that we don't know enough about our weather systems, wind currents, solar activity, etc., to fool with it lest we create another mega storm that knocks the hell out of populated areas to the tune of hundreds of deaths and billions of dollars in damage.

    My Dad was a sergeant in the Army before he got out, and he was privy to some government projects that were unreal in the results and he firmly believed that the government was actively working on weather control, just as the USSR was as a counter. And Alaska is on the frontlines of that particular struggle - we'd try to send storms over Siberia across the strait and they'd return the favor, as Dad told us a few times. I was always pretty skeptical of that notion, same as I am today.

    And I've read about the CIA seeding massive systems over Vietnam to make life miserable for the VC in the rainforest jungles, but it wasn't effective - sometimes it worked, other times it didn't. There were too many variables involved, and worse, we didn't know all the variables - and still dont.

    Everyone knows we can seed clouds. But we can't control where those resulting enhanced storms travel to, because they create their own winds and there's no way to predict which way it ends up going OR how powerful they'll get. I don't think we're attempting to control it because it's a fool's errand.

    The worst hurricanes ever recorded are from the 1800s - early 1900s. I don't think those folk were using slingshots or bow & arrows to seed clouds. They were seeding the South 40 behind a mule.

    Sometimes hurricanes form. They form naturally, as they've always done. And sometimes they beat the hell out of the East Coast, just like they've always done.

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