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    Default Could There Be A Better Example of Media Bias Than NYT With This?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...-the-times.php

    Devastating in what they left themselves open for:

    Posted on August 19, 2011 by John Hinderaker in Media Bias
    Darrell Issa Sticks It to the Times

    Darrell Issa is a brilliant businessman who made a lot of money the old-fashioned way: he earned it, rather than marrying or inheriting it as so many Democratic politicians do. Which is another way of saying that he is just the kind of man we need in Washington.


    The Left, of course, doesn’t see it that way. The New York Times hates Issa because, as Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, he has launched several investigations of wrongdoing that have embarrassed the Obama administration. So ace reporter Eric Lichtblau, no longer occupied with illegally leaking national defense secrets now that a Democrat occupies the White House, went looking for dirt on Issa.


    “Looking” isn’t exactly the right word; let’s say he went “trolling.” We have written a number of times about how the relatively respectable left-wing organs, like the New York Times, the Washington Post and MSNBC, rely on the far-left blogosphere for material. They monitor the crazy stuff that the Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, Think Progress, etc., spew out, and if they see something they think they can turn into a plausible story, they steal it.


    That is what happened here. It started at Think Progress, where cub reporter Lee Fang wrote an article in March claiming that Congressman Issa had secured earmarks for highway construction that benefited properties he owns in his San Diego district. Lichtblau picked up Fang’s “research” and amplified it in a hit piece in the Times. Of course, as we have often noted, one of the problems with lifting stories from the fever swamp is that they generally turn out to be wrong.


    Before getting to Lichtblau’s errors, however, a more basic point: his story in the Times is intended to put Issa in a bad light and to imply some sort of wrongdoing on Issa’s part. But if you read to the end of the article, the question that will occur to you is, What was the point? Where was the wrongdoing? There isn’t any alleged. Lichtblau’s article is sheer atmospherics; it attempts to portray Issa as a shady character without offering facts in support of that characterization...
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    I read this story on Polico.com yesterday. If the story in the NYT was correct, then Issa was using his elected position to line his pockets, but the politico story said Issa's staff noted factual disputes that if Issa is right, he wasn't lining the pockets. I didn't look real hard at the story, but I think the premise of the story was valid. Whether NYT had the facts well researched is another thing. I would think b4 running a story lilke this, you'd be real sure of your facts, which isn't to say they were.

    The politico story did note that the author came to the NYT from the LA Times, iirc, and had written articles like this on Issa b4. That's logical since Issa was a California congressman, but I think the reporter ain't a fan of Issa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...-the-times.php

    Devastating in what they left themselves open for:



    Links at site
    There is no better example period of media bias than the NYT. Runner up: Washington Post.
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    So what do your think are exemplars of media neutrality? Washington Times and WSJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KartRacerBoy View Post
    So what do your think are exemplars of media neutrality? Washington Times and WSJ?
    The WSJ does a decent job of news reporting, while their editorials certainly have a conservative bias. I think what separates out their stories are what used to be called 'editors.' Seems most print journalism have gotten rid of the position. Not all bias is caught, but certainly more than what now passes for 'news' articles in most dailies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KartRacerBoy View Post
    So what do your think are exemplars of media neutrality? Washington Times and WSJ?
    There is no media neutrality. That would require presenting nothing but lists of facts. Instead, people get led to the conclusion the author wishes them to arrive at; which, reflects either the writer's but more likely the writer's employer's POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KartRacerBoy View Post
    So what do your think are exemplars of media neutrality? Washington Times and WSJ?

    None, that is why a smart person reads some of various sources before rendering an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    None, that is why a smart person reads some of various sources before rendering an opinion.
    My favorite Sunday morning politcal show is Fox Sunday Morning with Chris Wallace. I USED to watch it becz Mara Liasson, the NPR political reporter was, IMO, the smartest person on the journalist panel and always gave a no BS version of what political realities were, while guys like William Crystal and Juan Williams puffed their political bias. And Chris Wallace is a great host. Sadly, Mara is rarely on the show nowadays probably due to NPR's tiff with Juan Williams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KartRacerBoy View Post
    My favorite Sunday morning politcal show is Fox Sunday Morning with Chris Wallace. I USED to watch it becz Mara Liasson, the NPR political reporter was, IMO, the smartest person on the journalist panel and always gave a no BS version of what political realities were, while guys like William Crystal and Juan Williams puffed their political bias. And Chris Wallace is a great host. Sadly, Mara is rarely on the show nowadays probably due to NPR's tiff with Juan Williams.
    I like Juan Wlliams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    I like Juan Wlliams.
    Oh the irony!!!

    I don't like him that much. I'm quite liberal and I think many more things are racially motivated than most whites think, yet I thin Juan Williams is over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KartRacerBoy View Post
    Oh the irony!!!

    I don't like him that much. I'm quite liberal and I think many more things are racially motivated than most whites think, yet I thin Juan Williams is over the top.
    Oh, I realize the irony lol. I don't agree with him, but I do like the way he presents his opinions and respect that he is (usually) respectful of those he disagrees with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Oh, I realize the irony lol. I don't agree with him, but I do like the way he presents his opinions and respect that he is (usually) respectful of those he disagrees with.
    Perhaps.

    William Crystal, however, must've been beat up on a regular basis in his childhood if he grew up with that shit-eating grin that never leaves his face.
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    Um .... let's see: Pretty much any show on the Fox New Channel. Or many days in the New York Post.

    The whole "liberal media" sham comes from Dubya's legendary challenge to the press: "If you aren't with us, you're against us."
    Meaning that you either toe the GOP line or you are the enemy. You are the "liberal media" or "mainstream media."
    What to most of us is the middle of the road is the far left to those on the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Um .... let's see: Pretty much any show on the Fox New Channel. Or many days in the New York Post.

    The whole "liberal media" sham comes from Dubya's legendary challenge to the press: "If you aren't with us, you're against us."
    Meaning that you either toe the GOP line or you are the enemy. You are the "liberal media" or "mainstream media."
    What to most of us is the middle of the road is the far left to those on the right.
    I guess if the truth isn't on your side, you feel compelled to lie...or maybe you are a total fucking idiot and truly believe that pile of shit you just posted. Bush never made such a challenge to the press. It was issued to the rest of the wolrd's nations in regards to the war on terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    I guess if the truth isn't on your side, you feel compelled to lie...or maybe you are a total fucking idiot and truly believe that pile of shit you just posted. Bush never made such a challenge to the press. It was issued to the rest of the wolrd's nations in regards to the war on terror.
    Nope! He said the same thing in a media interview. Or perhaps you chose to overlook that. Just the same way you choose to overlook most things that don't meet your specifications of "truth."

    You would be surprised how many people disagree with the media. On both sides.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z4

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