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    Default Why Muslims are still mad at America - By Steven Kull

    Why Muslims are still mad at America?


    On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced. The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker. With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments - a recruiting theme for terrorist groups - have been mitigated. But one important contributing factor has not improved - widespread anger at America in the Muslim world. While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.

    This does not mean that most Muslims support terrorist attacks on America. On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular.

    However, anger at America does contribute to an environment in which it is easier for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit jihadists, to generate funding and to generally operate with little government interference - witness how bin Laden operated in Pakistan and the widespread anger there when the Pakistani military failed to prevent the United States from taking him out.

    Trying to understand Muslims’ feelings toward America has been the focus of a five-year study I recently completed that included conducting focus groups and surveys throughout the Muslim world. I sat for many hours trying to understand as Muslims explained to me why they are so mad at America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
    Why Muslims are still mad at America?


    On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced. The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker. With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments - a recruiting theme for terrorist groups - have been mitigated. But one important contributing factor has not improved - widespread anger at America in the Muslim world. While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.

    This does not mean that most Muslims support terrorist attacks on America. On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular.

    However, anger at America does contribute to an environment in which it is easier for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit jihadists, to generate funding and to generally operate with little government interference - witness how bin Laden operated in Pakistan and the widespread anger there when the Pakistani military failed to prevent the United States from taking him out.

    Trying to understand Muslims’ feelings toward America has been the focus of a five-year study I recently completed that included conducting focus groups and surveys throughout the Muslim world. I sat for many hours trying to understand as Muslims explained to me why they are so mad at America.


    Complete Article Here:
    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....ad-at-america/

    Yeah you claim to hate terrorism, but here you are trying to justify it. Sane people the world over have some how figured out how to express their anger without committing acts of terror on innocent civilians, but for some reason the Muslims can't , why is that?

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    All he had to do was ask me. The muslims hate America because of the freedoms it represents. They want to dominate the world under sharia law and America stands in the way of that. The Constitution stands in the way of that. The Constitution and sharia law are polar opposites.

    America and Israel are the focus of hatred simply to direct the people minds off their own miserable existence. They are taught to hate a faceless strawman who is to blame for all their misery and preventing the world caliphate the imams and mullahs want.

    I could have saved him all that travel time and expense, but then he wouldn't be able to sell his dhimmi book.
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    okay, now lets analyze your replies logically:

    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Yeah you claim to hate terrorism, but here you are trying to justify it. Sane people the world over have some how figured out how to express their anger without committing acts of terror on innocent civilians, but for some reason the Muslims can't , why is that?
    1- you claimed that i am trying to justify terrorism while nowhere in the subject there is any justification for terrorism. (besides i am not the article writer, i guess he is an american like you, maybe he is the one who is justifying terrorism)

    2- you used a right argument in the wrong place, which is that sane people find right ways to express their anger but muslims can't, so you claim that all muslims can't find healthy way to express that anger ??, if 1.5 billion people can't find healthy way to express that anger and they just have to be violent they i think that our world is doomed to a near end.

    3- you automaticly thought that the article is speaking about terrorists, but its only speaking about why most muslims hate america, but hating america doesn't make anyone a terrorist, and it doesn't mean that anyone will turn violent, the article is merely speaking about the hatred, it can develop into violence sometimes but mostly it won't turn a muslim into a terrorist, you can say its about about only 1 every 5,000 muslim will turn into a terrorist because of that hatred.

    so maybe i have some reasons to hate america, but do you see me turning into a terrorist ???, hating america doesn't actually mean hating americans, thats just the very extreme case of radicalism, but mostly it just means hating the american policy.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    All he had to do was ask me. The muslims hate America because of the freedoms it represents. They want to dominate the world under sharia law and America stands in the way of that. The Constitution stands in the way of that. The Constitution and sharia law are polar opposites.

    America and Israel are the focus of hatred simply to direct the people minds off their own miserable existence. They are taught to hate a faceless strawman who is to blame for all their misery and preventing the world caliphate the imams and mullahs want.

    I could have saved him all that travel time and expense, but then he wouldn't be able to sell his dhimmi book.
    now you, the one who always thinks that every muslim in the whole world hates america because of the freedom, so why don't muslims hate germany too or spain for an example, or do you claim to have more freedom than people living ther, and if you have more freedom so you mean muslims hate the excess of freedom itself of the idea of freedom, but if you mean that they hate the idea of freedom, then we are back to the same question again, why don't they hate germany or spain or france ......etc ???

    and why you think that our existence is miserable, have i as an example of a muslim told you that my existence is miserable???,
    have i told you that i was taught to hate ???
    have i told you that i blame anyone for my imaginary misery which only exists in your mind ?

    why do you keep claiming things and thinking that you are right, have any muslim told you that they hate freedom !!!, who hates freedom !!!, everyone would fight and die for their freedom, its the core issue here, freedom, muslims wants to be free and you call them freedom haters, that makes you very wrong as i think.

    what makes you smarter than everyone or even smarter than everyone ???, why do you want to keep assuming what others think, are you a mind reader now ????, at least that writer travelled to actually ask people why they feel like that, but he didn't assume, because assumptions is just stupid and ignorant thing to do, i am sorry for the insult but its just the truth, to just assume the nature of other people, and to judge 1.5 billion people you haven't met, there is no other phrase than stupidity that fits that kind of action.

    try to read the book for a change, try to talk to muslims, just try, they won't eat your brains, they aren't zombies btw, don't be so afraid of changing your own thoughts which you just made up without trying to investigate the issue you are thinking about.

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    Default Why bring up muslim hatred

    why bring up muslim hatred on the anniversary of the 9/11 attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
    okay, now lets analyze your replies logically:



    1- you claimed that i am trying to justify terrorism while nowhere in the subject there is any justification for terrorism. (besides i am not the article writer, i guess he is an american like you, maybe he is the one who is justifying terrorism)

    2- you used a right argument in the wrong place, which is that sane people find right ways to express their anger but muslims can't, so you claim that all muslims can't find healthy way to express that anger ??, if 1.5 billion people can't find healthy way to express that anger and they just have to be violent they i think that our world is doomed to a near end.

    3- you automaticly thought that the article is speaking about terrorists, but its only speaking about why most muslims hate america, but hating america doesn't make anyone a terrorist, and it doesn't mean that anyone will turn violent, the article is merely speaking about the hatred, it can develop into violence sometimes but mostly it won't turn a muslim into a terrorist, you can say its about about only 1 every 5,000 muslim will turn into a terrorist because of that hatred.

    so maybe i have some reasons to hate america, but do you see me turning into a terrorist ???, hating america doesn't actually mean hating americans, thats just the very extreme case of radicalism, but mostly it just means hating the american policy.





    now you, the one who always thinks that every muslim in the whole world hates america because of the freedom, so why don't muslims hate germany too or spain for an example, or do you claim to have more freedom than people living ther, and if you have more freedom so you mean muslims hate the excess of freedom itself of the idea of freedom, but if you mean that they hate the idea of freedom, then we are back to the same question again, why don't they hate germany or spain or france ......etc ???

    and why you think that our existence is miserable, have i as an example of a muslim told you that my existence is miserable???,
    have i told you that i was taught to hate ???
    have i told you that i blame anyone for my imaginary misery which only exists in your mind ?

    why do you keep claiming things and thinking that you are right, have any muslim told you that they hate freedom !!!, who hates freedom !!!, everyone would fight and die for their freedom, its the core issue here, freedom, muslims wants to be free and you call them freedom haters, that makes you very wrong as i think.

    what makes you smarter than everyone or even smarter than everyone ???, why do you want to keep assuming what others think, are you a mind reader now ????, at least that writer travelled to actually ask people why they feel like that, but he didn't assume, because assumptions is just stupid and ignorant thing to do, i am sorry for the insult but its just the truth, to just assume the nature of other people, and to judge 1.5 billion people you haven't met, there is no other phrase than stupidity that fits that kind of action.

    try to read the book for a change, try to talk to muslims, just try, they won't eat your brains, they aren't zombies btw, don't be so afraid of changing your own thoughts which you just made up without trying to investigate the issue you are thinking about.


    These pieces of shit aren't terrorists either, but if you don't admit that this sort of behavior encourages those who do choose terrorism, it is only because you're a liar.




    Since you are in fact a Muslim, you've already told the world that you're okay with lying to cover up your cult's real agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.T View Post



    the Mossad will visit you for that.

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    These pieces of shit aren't terrorists either, but if you don't admit that this sort of behavior encourages those who do choose terrorism, it is only because you're a liar.




    Since you are in fact a Muslim, you've already told the world that you're okay with lying to cover up your cult's real agenda.
    who said that i don't admit that ???

    of course such actions is stupid and encourage violence, i condemn them greatly, whoever celebrate death is an idiot and a sick human with no soul.

    death is not something that we should celebrate, even if its the death of a criminal, so how can i celebrate the death of innocent civilians, of fathers and mothers and children, how can i celebrate such a tragedy !!!


    about your point that i am already saying that i am okay with my cult's agenda, first i am not in a cult, its a religion, we are not a secret organization, even muslim countries have war with each other sometimes, we don't all get along or agree, not just because someone is a muslim then he have to agree with anything that other muslim does, do you as an example agree with a christian man killing his wife ???, do you agree with american soliders who raped young iraqi girls ???

    i may share the same religion with muslim terrorists, but that doesn't mean that i share same principles and beliefs, i would never kill an innocent no matter what the cost is.

    let me ask you, do you share the same morals of every christian on the face of the earth ???, like the radical christian who killed kids in Norway, do you share the same principles with him ???, do you approve of his actions ?


    what does being a muslim have to do with approving terrorism !!!!, believe me, you got your facts twisted alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
    who said that i don't admit that ???

    of course such actions is stupid and encourage violence, i condemn them greatly, whoever celebrate death is an idiot and a sick human with no soul.

    death is not something that we should celebrate, even if its the death of a criminal, so how can i celebrate the death of innocent civilians, of fathers and mothers and children, how can i celebrate such a tragedy !!!


    about your point that i am already saying that i am okay with my cult's agenda, first i am not in a cult, its a religion, we are not a secret organization, even muslim countries have war with each other sometimes, we don't all get along or agree, not just because someone is a muslim then he have to agree with anything that other muslim does, do you as an example agree with a christian man killing his wife ???, do you agree with american soliders who raped young iraqi girls ???

    i may share the same religion with muslim terrorists, but that doesn't mean that i share same principles and beliefs, i would never kill an innocent no matter what the cost is.

    let me ask you, do you share the same morals of every christian on the face of the earth ???, like the radical christian who killed kids in Norway, do you share the same principles with him ???, do you approve of his actions ?


    what does being a muslim have to do with approving terrorism !!!!,
    believe me, you got your facts twisted alot.


    1.5 Billion Muslims on this planet. Post example of 10000 Muslims who unconditionally condemned 9/11. 1000? 100? What? How come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abso View Post
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    I may share the same religion with muslim terrorists, but that doesn't mean that i share same principles and beliefs, i would never kill an innocent no matter what the cost is. ...
    You speak as any good man should. It is probably difficult for you to be like this, especially when you are among those who say "if you are not with us then you are our enemy," or something like this.



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    okay, now lets analyze your replies logically:

    Quote Originally Posted by ConHog View Post
    Yeah you claim to hate terrorism, but here you are trying to justify it. Sane people the world over have some how figured out how to express their anger without committing acts of terror on innocent civilians, but for some reason the Muslims can't , why is that?
    1- you claimed that i am trying to justify terrorism while nowhere in the subject there is any justification for terrorism. (besides i am not the article writer, i guess he is an american like you, maybe he is the one who is justifying terrorism)

    2- you used a right argument in the wrong place, which is that sane people find right ways to express their anger but muslims can't, so you claim that all muslims can't find healthy way to express that anger ??, if 1.5 billion people can't find healthy way to express that anger and they just have to be violent they i think that our world is doomed to a near end.

    3- you automaticly thought that the article is speaking about terrorists, but its only speaking about why most muslims hate america, but hating america doesn't make anyone a terrorist, and it doesn't mean that anyone will turn violent, the article is merely speaking about the hatred, it can develop into violence sometimes but mostly it won't turn a muslim into a terrorist, you can say its about about only 1 every 5,000 muslim will turn into a terrorist because of that hatred.

    so maybe i have some reasons to hate america, but do you see me turning into a terrorist ???, hating america doesn't actually mean hating americans, thats just the very extreme case of radicalism, but mostly it just means hating the american policy.





    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    All he had to do was ask me. The muslims hate America because of the freedoms it represents. They want to dominate the world under sharia law and America stands in the way of that. The Constitution stands in the way of that. The Constitution and sharia law are polar opposites.

    America and Israel are the focus of hatred simply to direct the people minds off their own miserable existence. They are taught to hate a faceless strawman who is to blame for all their misery and preventing the world caliphate the imams and mullahs want.

    I could have saved him all that travel time and expense, but then he wouldn't be able to sell his dhimmi book.
    now you, the one who always thinks that every muslim in the whole world hates america because of the freedom, so why don't muslims hate germany too or spain for an example, or do you claim to have more freedom than people living ther, and if you have more freedom so you mean muslims hate the excess of freedom itself of the idea of freedom, but if you mean that they hate the idea of freedom, then we are back to the same question again, why don't they hate germany or spain or france ......etc ???

    and why you think that our existence is miserable, have i as an example of a muslim told you that my existence is miserable???,
    have i told you that i was taught to hate ???
    have i told you that i blame anyone for my imaginary misery which only exists in your mind ?

    why do you keep claiming things and thinking that you are right, have any muslim told you that they hate freedom !!!, who hates freedom !!!, everyone would fight and die for their freedom, its the core issue here, freedom, muslims wants to be free and you call them freedom haters, that makes you very wrong as i think.

    what makes you smarter than everyone or even smarter than everyone ???, why do you want to keep assuming what others think, are you a mind reader now ????, at least that writer travelled to actually ask people why they feel like that, but he didn't assume, because assumptions is just stupid and ignorant thing to do, i am sorry for the insult but its just the truth, to just assume the nature of other people, and to judge 1.5 billion people you haven't met, there is no other phrase than stupidity that fits that kind of action.

    try to read the book for a change, try to talk to muslims, just try, they won't eat your brains, they aren't zombies btw, don't be so afraid of changing your own thoughts which you just made up without trying to investigate the issue you are thinking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    All he had to do was ask me. The muslims hate America because of the freedoms it represents. They want to dominate the world under sharia law and America stands in the way of that. The Constitution stands in the way of that. The Constitution and sharia law are polar opposites.

    America and Israel are the focus of hatred simply to direct the people minds off their own miserable existence. They are taught to hate a faceless strawman who is to blame for all their misery and preventing the world caliphate the imams and mullahs want.

    I could have saved him all that travel time and expense, but then he wouldn't be able to sell his dhimmi book.
    No, they hate us because we put leaders such as Saddam and Osama in power, and undercut democracy in Iran. We have meddled for decades now, all for oil, and we can't get away with that simply because they "hate us for our freedoms". They didn't hate us in the 1800s, nor in the earliest parts of the 1900s, only once we started messing with their countries.

    It's like someone coming over, saying they're remodeling your house for you, then they rip out the various parts of the old building, only the leave the hole there for months or years on end, then coming back to completely redo the way they were doing the remodel, and do the same damned thing again.

    They certainly might not like our freedoms, but that's not why they hate us. I don't like that whole no caffeine thing in mormonism, but I don't hate mormons as a whole. I don't like Communism, but I don't hate China. This idea that it is purely based around how free we are is burying our heads in the sand, and ignoring our own part in the world. You cannot interfere in the world as we have, for good or ill, without consequences, and you cannot do it as haphazardly as we have without developing somewhat legitimate anger.

    The article wasn't supporting terror, just anger that Muslims are feeling. I'm a New Yorker, we get angry at Red Sox fans, doesn't mean we advocate terrorism against them, just laughing when the Sox go belly up again. There's difference between anger and hate, but right now, we're too angry as a country to see past that.

    The current situation is not entirely on the Muslims, nor is it entirely on us. Both sides have been fucking it up with reckless abandon for decades now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    No, they hate us because we put leaders such as Saddam and Osama in power, and undercut democracy in Iran. We have meddled for decades now, all for oil, and we can't get away with that simply because they "hate us for our freedoms". They didn't hate us in the 1800s, nor in the earliest parts of the 1900s, only once we started messing with their countries.

    It's like someone coming over, saying they're remodeling your house for you, then they rip out the various parts of the old building, only the leave the hole there for months or years on end, then coming back to completely redo the way they were doing the remodel, and do the same damned thing again.

    They certainly might not like our freedoms, but that's not why they hate us. I don't like that whole no caffeine thing in mormonism, but I don't hate mormons as a whole. I don't like Communism, but I don't hate China. This idea that it is purely based around how free we are is burying our heads in the sand, and ignoring our own part in the world. You cannot interfere in the world as we have, for good or ill, without consequences, and you cannot do it as haphazardly as we have without developing somewhat legitimate anger.

    The article wasn't supporting terror, just anger that Muslims are feeling. I'm a New Yorker, we get angry at Red Sox fans, doesn't mean we advocate terrorism against them, just laughing when the Sox go belly up again. There's difference between anger and hate, but right now, we're too angry as a country to see past that.

    The current situation is not entirely on the Muslims, nor is it entirely on us. Both sides have been fucking it up with reckless abandon for decades now.
    I concede that we have meddled where we shouldn't have; but NOTHING justifies the way that they have reacted. They act the way people acted in the middle ages, the problem is the entire rest of the world has evolved past that point. The Muslims need to join us.

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