Obama had no balls to close Gitmo

[revelarts]

Former Gito Prosecutor who resigned Says Obama had no balls to close Gitmo, that most of the detainees should have been released, all of the evidences gotten though water bording and enhanced technique should have been tossed out, and that Obama is worse than Bush beucase he kills "terrorist" even Americans rather than capture and torture. and that the CIA is the new forward "combat" and the only reason we are able to get away with it is becuase we are a supperpower but we want every one else to obey torture treaties and the rule of law but we don't did it. That we should be an example but we're not.

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[ConHog]

I actually give Obama credit here. It isn't that he didn't have the balls to close gitmo. It's that after taking office and seeing things from that perspective rather than that of a candidate pandering for votes, he realized that gitmo is in fact necessary.

[fj1200]

^I thought you despised lying, POS politicians.

[jimnyc]

I actually give Obama credit here. It isn't that he didn't have the balls to close gitmo. It's that after taking office and seeing things from that perspective rather than that of a candidate pandering for votes, he realized that gitmo is in fact necessary.

I said from day one that the most of his tough talk about closing gitmo and bringing troops home was a bunch of crap. I've also said most of these decisions are best left for the Generals on the ground and those involved first hand. Obama changed his tune - or broke his "promises" - as soon as the reality of the situation set in after he was elected. You have a few buildings full of terrorists and shitheads that tried to kill American troops. Boo fucking hoo for them.

[Abbey Marie]

I have long believed that once they get in office, Presidents especially, have second thoughts on foreign policies, allies, etc., once they are privy to the most secret of information. It tends to have a moderating effect on most of them.

Not knowing what they know, I can hardly hold it against them.

[revelarts]

I have long believed that once they get in office, Presidents especially, have second thoughts on foreign policies, allies, etc., once they are privy to the most secret of information. It tends to have a moderating effect on most of them.

Not knowing what they know, I can hardly hold it against them.

Don't you think the Gitmo prosecutor was privy to the most secret of the info on the accused terrorist detanees probably at a more intimate and detailed level then Obama was briefed on.

Yes, presidents get in an have 2nd look however he was going on the word of Generals who advised him when he decided to close it, he had many of them standing behind him as he signed the 100 day executive order.

He just didn't have the stones to follow through, if any thing it was political pressure that he bowed to not secret info, or the word of the generals he had all of that that he needed from day one.

[ConHog]

^I thought you despised lying, POS politicians.

I can appreciate a wise decision even from someone I despise.

[Abbey Marie]

Don't you think the Gitmo prosecutor was privy to the most secret of the info on the accused terrorist detanees probably at a more intimate and detailed level then Obama was briefed on.

Yes, presidents get in an have 2nd look however he was going on the word of Generals who advised him when he decided to close it, he had many of them standing behind him as he signed the 100 day executive order.

He just didn't have the stones to follow through, if any thing it was political pressure that he bowed to not secret info, or the word of the generals he had all of that that he needed from day one.

Obviously we don't know who knows what; we can only speculate. But as a person who has zero respect for Obama, I can still believe that he had more than politics in mind when he acted this way.

[revelarts]

Obama signed new orders a while back that say even IF detainees are found NOT guilty that he STILL can keep them locked up for all of the natural lives.


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[fj1200]

I can appreciate a wise decision even from someone I despise.

So wisdom equals your POV? He's no longer a pandering politician?

[jimnyc]

For others interested, I've looked over Obama's executive orders and speeches and can't find where he ordered any indefinite detentions of those found not guilty. Yep, indefinite detention while there may be hostilities still going, or for those found guilty, or for those not tried yet, but I can't find anything as of yet stating they can hold the "not guilty" or innocent. I still need to read the orders in further detail...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030704871.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/guant...2#.TwNHXvL3tMk
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...ionFacilities/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...-namo-bay-nava

[ConHog]

So wisdom equals your POV? He's no longer a pandering politician?

What are you talking about FJ? You don't even KNOW my POV re:Gitmo. I merely stated that I think that in this case Obama made a wise decision. IOW I can admit a decision is wise, not only when I agree with it, and not only when I disagree with it, but when I look at a situation and realize I don't have the facts to render anything more than an opinion without all the facts.

[fj1200]

What are you talking about FJ? You don't even KNOW my POV re:Gitmo. I merely stated that I think that in this case Obama made a wise decision.

I know what you consider wise. Did BO pander for votes or was he ignorant?

[ConHog]

I know what you consider wise. Did BO pander for votes or was he ignorant?

My OPINION is that candidate Obama truly believed that closing Gitmo was the best thing.and then PRESIDENT Obama got more facts and changed his opinion.

I'm not sure why all the pandering remarks? I don't remember using that word before.

[fj1200]

My OPINION is that candidate Obama truly believed that closing Gitmo was the best thing.and then PRESIDENT Obama got more facts and changed his opinion.

I'm not sure why all the pandering remarks? I don't remember using that word before.

You used it in post #2. My opinion is that he ran a calculated campaigned against Gitmo with no backup plan and bent to Congressional pressure and backlash. Does anyone know if he altered the EO regarding Gitmo?