Dem Tells Radio Host You Dont Deserve To Keep All The Money You Earn

[fj1200]

Which means you do not derseve to keep all the money you earn. Again i'mm repeat, anyone who does think they should keep all the money they earn is an idiot.

Now what the taxes taken should then be spent on is a totally different question, but as to the question "do you deserve to keep all the money you earn" the answer is most certainly no.

Your mindset is backward. Rather than individuals having to justify what they get to keep, government should have to justify what is necessary.

[Noir]

Your mindset is backward. Rather than individuals having to justify what they get to keep, government should have to justify what is necessary.

My mindset is that we do not deserve to keep all the money we earn. As i said, what the taxes are then spent on is a matter for debate, but as regards the OP, its the first sentence that counts.

[fj1200]

My mindset is that we do not deserve to keep all the money we earn. As i said, what the taxes are then spent on is a matter for debate, but as regards the OP, its the first sentence that counts.

Yup, statist mindset; the people do not deserve, government deserves. The Dem party has it in spades.

[J.T]

Then you go back to those of us who DO believe taxes should go to pay for these things

Oh, so you don't believe you deserve to keep all the money you earn? It is the government's money? Your money belongs to the collective to do with as the collective decides?

give the majority a free ride and steal money from the rich

The bottom 50% controls 2.5% of the wealth. I'll tell ya what, we'll agree to your demand for 'fairness'; when we all control the same amount of wealth and have the same income, we can all pay the same tax rate.

And yet the dems still find a way to steal more and more and more and more and more from the rich, business owners

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[jimnyc]

JT - How much of total taxes collected is paid by the top 2% of the richest people in America? I'd say they pay their fair share already. Tax should be based the same across the board on each dollar, not by who can give the government the most money to pay for their constituents to get a free ride.

[ConHog]

no one is suggesting that it is not appropriate to keep the money that you earn.... it is reasonable to expect to have to contribute SOME of what you earn to the common coffers. Do you really expect the military, for example to work for FREE? Police? The intelligent way to look at the issue is to realize that there will always be an ongoing debate as to how much stuff we will do in common and how much we will do separately.

Some people, for example, don't think that we should collect taxes in order to pay teachers. Others disagree with that. Some feel that healthcare should be nationalized, as it is in nearly every other developed nation in the world, and that healthcare professionals should be paid with money raised through taxes of some sort. Others disagree with that.

That is the very nature of the ongoing debate in the public square... those clashes of ideas and priorities are the very essence of the democratic process, imho.

You are correct, it IS reasonable to expect to have to contribute some of what you earn to the common coffers. Please pass that along to the 47% of earners in this country who pay NOTHING in federal income tax.

[J.T]

You are correct, it IS reasonable to expect to have to contribute some of what you earn to the common coffers. Please pass that along to the 47% of earners in this country who pay NOTHING in federal income tax.

You do know they pay other taxes, right?

Also, they control <3% of the wealth in the country. The top 5% controls ~85%. So stop crying. Nobody's buying your sob story.

Does your class warfare against the working man ever end?

[LuvRPgrl]

Which means you do not derseve to keep all the money you earn. Again i'mm repeat, anyone who does think they should keep all the money they earn is an idiot.

Now what the taxes taken should then be spent on is a totally different question, but as to the question "do you deserve to keep all the money you earn" the answer is most certainly no.

Does that apply to everyone?
If not, how is that fair?
If it does, then why do so many"poor" people not pay any taxes? They keep all the money they earn.

[fj1200]

It is the government's money?

That's a nice argument for gun control you've got right there. It's the government's money, it's the government's guns... Your right to guns should be controlled by those who have no guns. You're quite the statist when the state agrees with you.

[fj1200]

You do know they pay other taxes, right?

Federally speaking right? Those were billed as "contributions" to retirement so not really taxes eh? I guess a statist like yourself is all for the state seizing wealth building income which inhibits the "working poor" from building wealth.

[J.T]

That's a nice argument for gun control you've got right there. It's the government's money, it's the government's guns... Your right to guns should be controlled by those who have no guns. You're quite the statist when the state agrees with you.

You realize you're responding to jimnyc's argument, right?

Federally speaking right? Those were billed as "contributions" to retirement so not really taxes eh?

Right, you can call the capital gains tax a 'national sustainability contribution' too if you want, but it's still a tax.

Maybe we should call it a 'fee'?

Also, will you people please make up your minds? Half the time you people say I'm a communist (which would mean I seek the abolition of the nation-state and pursue a stateless and classless society) and the other half of the time you people claim I'm a statist (which would make one wonder why I'm always arguing against the USA PATRIOT act, the massive military, the worship of COTUS and SCTOUS, and federalism).

[LuvRPgrl]

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The bottom 50% controls 2.5% of the wealth. I'll tell ya what, we'll agree to your demand for 'fairness'; when we all control the same amount of wealth and have the same income,



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1. there are alot of people who look to others for leadership. They dont want to invest their money in speculative ventures. They like the tried and true, slow but steady, life is fine as it is.
Then there are others who are always trying to improve things. They invest their money into speculative ventures.

2. If a person saves their money, instead of paying for things like big screen tv, beer, audacious 20" wheels, etc etc, and then invest it in a venture,, but it goes belly up, are the other taxpayers going to make sure he gets his money back? If he has to pay for potential losses, then he should collect potential profits. If he doesnt, nobody will invest and we will still be pulling plows with cows.

3. CLASS WARFARE? The idea the Dems are for the little guy is a joke. They get more from big corps than the Repubs. They represent the trial lawyers assoc. What they do is make it LOOK like they are fighting the Repubs bu t they arent.

4.One part of the solution is for the govt to run only things that the private section cant. When they start paying for things like college education, its bogus. I couldnt afford a college edu, but now they expect me to pay for someone elses? How is that fair. ANSWER THE QUESTION.
IS IT FAIR I PAY FOR THE COLLEGE EDU OF AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, BUT CANT AFFORD TO SEND MY OWN DAUGHTER TO COLLEGE?

5.They use the worn out excuse, well, instead of leeching off the govt, the illegal dude will get a better job with a college degree, and that will benefit everyone. GUESS WHAT? Anything can apply to that. If Im driving a new car, I dont pollute the air as much, therefore.....

6. When taxes go up, private charity donations go down. Guess who donates to those charities? NOT PEOPLE ON WELFARE. Very wealthy people set up foundations with their money to fund things that benefit everyone. That way the money is utilized much more effectively.

7. If those liberals/Dems were serious about the upper classes paying more, they would donate more of their money, but they dont. When asked, they say no.re

8.When the govt hands out freebies to the poor, they no longer have gratitude. They have the attitude that the govt owes them, like govt prints money for free or something. NONE of them understand how the economy works and how welfare is funded. They have the opportunity for a FREE education, but they throw it away. Guess what, most rich people got rich by becoming educated first.
. I see these dumb, ignorant people all the time, they dont work, they dont go to school, they do nothing to improve their economic status other than playing the lotto, and then they bitch how whitey is holding them down, and its not fair, they deserve more.

.....If they are given everything for free, they have no motivation to improve themselves thru education, but they try to improve by more taxes on the "rich"

[Little-Acorn]

Imagine that, someone wanting to keep the money they work hard for and earn!

Every now and then some leftist fanatic slips, and admits what they really want.

They really need to watch that stuff. People will start to get wise about them.

Oops.... too late.....

[LuvRPgrl]

You realize you're responding to jimnyc's argument, right?


Right, you can call the capital gains tax a 'national sustainability contribution' too if you want, but it's still a tax.

Maybe we should call it a 'fee'?

Also, will you people please make up your minds? Half the time you people say I'm a communist (which would mean I seek the abolition of the nation-state and pursue a stateless and classless society) and the other half of the time you people claim I'm a statist (which would make one wonder why I'm always arguing against the USA PATRIOT act, the massive military, the worship of COTUS and SCTOUS, and federalism).

If you want a better term, how about INCONSISTENT SCHZOPRHENIC.

If people who earn money on captial gains, have their earnings sliced and diced , their risk is higher and they invest less. Less money means less businesses being ceated. But hey, insteadof creating a decent paying job for some "poor" people, lets just give them the money. That way they can continue sitting on their FAT asses remaining unproductive, remain ignorant, become diabetics, which drains more from the healthcare, but hey, who cares, they deserve free health care anyways.

They come to think that the only way to improve their lot in life is to play the lotto, take more from the rich, win on American idol, or sell drugs.

(just trying to get the subject back on taxes, and off of you.)

[J.T]

invest it in a venture,, but it goes belly up, are the other taxpayers going to make sure he gets his money back?

If he's rich and corrupt enough, yes. Or have you not been paying attention during the last two administrations?

The idea the Dems are for the little guy is a joke.

:yawn:

Who said anything about the Democrats?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...-are-Democrats

That you go from class to political party as though a=b goes to prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

4.One part of the solution is for the govt to run only things that the private section cant

Right.. so that leaves...? Absolutely nothing? Let's disband the police (why socialize it when companies like American Police Force exist?), the military (Xe can handle it), the fire department (history tells us what a smashing success that was)...

When they start paying for things like college education, its bogus

You'd rather America didn't have any substantial pool f educated professionals to compete in the world market? Methinks you fail to grasp the basic concept of investing in your people.

ILLEGAL ALIEN

Focus. We don't like herring.

6. When taxes go up, private charity donations go down.

:yawn:

If your mythical charities had been enough in the first place, programs like SNAP wouldn't have been needed to begin with. Do you have anything other than tired talking points?

7. If those liberals/Dems

What does party have to do with anything? Also, you can stop the whole 'Liberals' thing. I'm not a Liberal and I never have been. My refutations and condemnations of Liberalism are easily found via google. Just ask anyone from USMB.

:yawn:

just type my name into a search engine with each of your scripted lines