School Suspends Students For Saying Homosexuality Is Wrong

[red states rule]

More proof public schools are becoming liberal indoctrination centers.

FORT WORTH, Texas - A Fort Worth high school student was sent to the principal’s office earlier this week for telling another classmate he believes homosexuality is wrong.

Fourteen-year-old Dakota Ary spent most of the day Tuesday serving an in-school suspension. It was punishment for discussion in his German class at Fort Worth’s Western Hills High School.

“We were talking about religions in Germany. I said, ‘I’m a Christian. I think being a homosexual is wrong,’” he said. “It wasn’t directed to anyone except my friend who was sitting behind me. I guess [the teacher] heard me. He started yelling. He told me he was going to write me an infraction and send me to the office.”

An assistant principal called Ary’s mother at work to let her know he was in trouble.
“At first I was in disbelief. My son is on the honor roll with great grades. I don’t have any problems out of him,” Holly Pope said.

After hearing Ary’s explanation of what happened, the assistant principal reduced the original suspension from two days to one. But Pope was not satisfied with that.
“He was stating an opinion. He has a right to do that. They punished him for it,” she said.
Attorney Matt Krause joined Ary and his mom at a Wednesday morning meeting with the principal. They asked for the blemish to be taken off his record and reassurance there would be no retaliation.

“Students don’t lose their first amendment rights just because they go in the schoolhouse door,” Krause said.

District spokesman Clint Bond said the Fort Worth Independent School District does not comment on specific employee or student-related issues.

“We are following district policy in our review of the circumstances and any resolution will likewise be in accordance with district policy,” Bond said.


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More proof public schools are becoming liberal indoctrination centers.

“Students don’t lose their first amendment rights just because they go in the schoolhouse door,” Krause said.

Unfortunately they do but this is ridiculous unless they are going to ban every opinion.

[ConHog]

Unfortunately they do but this is ridiculous unless they are going to ban every opinion.

From the perspective of someone who often makes decisions regarding upholding suspensions.


The kid apparently turned around and was talking to his friend, it wasn't part of the general class discussion. That right there is a no no, children aren't allowed to have side discussions in a class, even if the class is a discussion type class.

Second, why was homosexuality brought up at all? Was the teacher discussing homosexuality and the kid just responded, or did he just blurt out that the thinks homosexuality is wrong completely out of the blue? if it was the former I would want to know why the teacher brought homosexuality into the discussion to begin with if it was the latter I question why the child felt it was appropriate to mention it.

In EITHER case, a teacher has of course complete discretion as to what may or may not be discussed in a classroom, AND the teacher is not the one who makes suspension decisions, not at any school that I know of anyway, so I would want much more information before declaring that the school acted wrong.


In the big picture though, children do NOT have complete freedom of speech in schools though. That is of course well documented.

[DragonStryk72]

From the perspective of someone who often makes decisions regarding upholding suspensions.


The kid apparently turned around and was talking to his friend, it wasn't part of the general class discussion. That right there is a no no, children aren't allowed to have side discussions in a class, even if the class is a discussion type class.

Second, why was homosexuality brought up at all? Was the teacher discussing homosexuality and the kid just responded, or did he just blurt out that the thinks homosexuality is wrong completely out of the blue? if it was the former I would want to know why the teacher brought homosexuality into the discussion to begin with if it was the latter I question why the child felt it was appropriate to mention it.

In EITHER case, a teacher has of course complete discretion as to what may or may not be discussed in a classroom, AND the teacher is not the one who makes suspension decisions, not at any school that I know of anyway, so I would want much more information before declaring that the school acted wrong.


In the big picture though, children do NOT have complete freedom of speech in schools though. That is of course well documented.

This is my problem with it. the kid was clearly talking during class, which is pretty much the universal "Don't do it". That in itself isn't suspendable, but I kinda have to look at the fact it's Texas, it's not exactly well known for its left-leaning tendency. A discussion of religions in Germany isn't exactly a segue into homosexuality. We also don't know much about this kid, as to attitude and such. Pretty much every parent these days says their kid is "great", but honor roll isn't a marker on attitude, just grade point. Take my brother for example, he's wicked smart, but sometimes you just want to shake the shit out of him.

For a simple glib sentence, this seems a bit extreme, but without more facts, there's just no way to comment on it.

[ConHog]

This is my problem with it. the kid was clearly talking during class, which is pretty much the universal "Don't do it". That in itself isn't suspendable, but I kinda have to look at the fact it's Texas, it's not exactly well known for its left-leaning tendency. A discussion of religions in Germany isn't exactly a segue into homosexuality. We also don't know much about this kid, as to attitude and such. Pretty much every parent these days says their kid is "great", but honor roll isn't a marker on attitude, just grade point. Take my brother for example, he's wicked smart, but sometimes you just want to shake the shit out of him.

For a simple glib sentence, this seems a bit extreme, but without more facts, there's just no way to comment on it.

That's about my stance on it. ISS seems a little extreme, but on the other hand, schools don't have a lot of options when it comes to discipline. In my day if you talked in class without permission you got your ass busted by the teacher. That is pretty much off the table now.

[Nukeman]

There is a larger article about this that was posted a couple of days ago. In a nut shell the "teacher" uses his class to push the homosexual agenda, that is what was being discussed in the "German language" class at the time. The student said that with his religious beliefs he felt homosexuality was wrong. The teacher who I am going to assume is gay due to the information in the other article, lost it and marched the child to the office and demanded he be suspended for disruption of class. After the child was sent home and further investigation calmer and saner heads prevailed. This child was give 2DAYS of OSS with 1 DAY of ISS for giving his opinion on a topic very dear to the teacher. Now if you cant express your opinion in a class asking for it than where the hell can you..

The teacher has a poster on the wall of 2 men kissing and tells his students that is the world you live in deal with it!!!!!

I am trying to locate the article...

Here we go

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/...r-gay-comments

When the teacher overheard Ary’s comment, he was written up and sent to the principal’s office. The discipline referral form says the comment was out of context, even though the lesson for the day was on religious beliefs. The teacher charged Ary with "possible bullying" and said, "It is wrong to make such a statement in public school."

"Just because you walk through the schoolhouse doors doesn't mean you shed your First Amendment rights,” says Matthew Krause, litigation counsel for Liberty Counsel, who along with Dakota's mom, Holly Pope, met with school administrators Wednesday morning. “Dakota wasn't disrupting class. He wasn't bullying or harassing anybody. He was just stating his personal opinion on a topic somebody else brought up and in a civil and respectful manner."
Noteworthy is the fact this same teacher last week displayed a picture of two men kissing on a "World Wall" and told the students that homosexuality is becoming more prevalent in the world and that they should just accept it. Many of the students were offended by the teacher's actions and his continually bringing up the topic of homosexuality in a German language class.

[ConHog]

There is a larger article about this that was posted a couple of days ago. In a nut shell the "teacher" uses his class to push the homosexual agenda, that is what was being discussed in the "German language" class at the time. The student said that with his religious beliefs he felt homosexuality was wrong. The teacher who I am going to assume is gay due to the information in the other article, lost it and marched the child to the office and demanded he be suspended for disruption of class. After the child was sent home and further investigation calmer and saner heads prevailed. This child was give 2DAYS of OSS with 1 DAY of ISS for giving his opinion on a topic very dear to the teacher. Now if you cant express your opinion in a class asking for it than where the hell can you..

The teacher has a poster on the wall of 2 men kissing and tells his students that is the world you live in deal with it!!!!!

I am trying to locate the article...

Here we go

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/...r-gay-comments

WHy is the school allowing teachers to have posters of ANYONE kissing, especially one that is making a political statement.

[Nukeman]

WHy is the school allowing teachers to have posters of ANYONE kissing, especially one that is making a political statement.

You tell me brother!?!?!?!? This teacher has an agenda and that is all there is to this story. He is trying to intimidate the students into listening to his indoctrination...

maybe because the last people in the US that can be vilified are white middle class Christians

[DragonStryk72]

There is a larger article about this that was posted a couple of days ago. In a nut shell the "teacher" uses his class to push the homosexual agenda, that is what was being discussed in the "German language" class at the time. The student said that with his religious beliefs he felt homosexuality was wrong. The teacher who I am going to assume is gay due to the information in the other article, lost it and marched the child to the office and demanded he be suspended for disruption of class. After the child was sent home and further investigation calmer and saner heads prevailed. This child was give 2DAYS of OSS with 1 DAY of ISS for giving his opinion on a topic very dear to the teacher. Now if you cant express your opinion in a class asking for it than where the hell can you..

The teacher has a poster on the wall of 2 men kissing and tells his students that is the world you live in deal with it!!!!!

I am trying to locate the article...

Here we go

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/...r-gay-comments

The irony is that my buddy hector just saw this article, is gay, and is angry at the teacher. A quick chat with my dad, also gay, and he's calling bullshit on the teacher for that as well. Their arguments basically break down to the fact that a German language class was not the place for a discussion about homosexuality, and rubbing it in the kids faces, especially in a place like TX where the crowd is very much more conservative, is just adding insult to the whole run.

[DragonStryk72]

That's about my stance on it. ISS seems a little extreme, but on the other hand, schools don't have a lot of options when it comes to discipline. In my day if you talked in class without permission you got your ass busted by the teacher. That is pretty much off the table now.

for me, you might score detention, or in one memorable one, my physics teacher had a student stand at the front of the class and hold a pen horizontally between index fingers with his arms stretched out at shoulder height for the class.

[ConHog]

You tell me brother!?!?!?!? This teacher has an agenda and that is all there is to this story. He is trying to intimidate the students into listening to his indoctrination...

maybe because the last people in the US that can be vilified are white middle class Christians

I have been saying that for about two years now. Christians are the last group that it is considered acceptable to attack in the US.



I know at the school I'm on the board of that teacher would have been given ONE warning to get rid of that poster.

[chloe]

“We were talking about religions in Germany. I said, ‘I’m a Christian. I think being a homosexual is wrong,’” he said. “It wasn’t directed to anyone except my friend who was sitting behind me. I guess [the teacher] heard me. He started yelling. He told me he was going to write me an infraction and send me to the office.”

I read the article and all it implies is they were talking about religions in germany......the kid somewhere decided to say he's a christian and gay is wrong, no where did that article say the teacher is gay or talked about gays at all, the kid seems to have brought the gay issue up under the guise of religion. Why are they teaching about religion in public school is my question not that I have a problem with I just though they arent allowed to.

[ConHog]

I read the article and all it implies is they were talking about religions in germany......the kid somewhere decided to say he's a christian and gay is wrong, no where did that article say the teacher is gay or talked about gays at all, the kid seems to have brought the gay issue up under the guise of religion. Why are they teaching about religion in public school is my question not that I have a problem with I just though they arent allowed to.

You're allowed to talk about religion as it applies to historical or anthropological studies.

[chloe]

You're allowed to talk about religion as it applies to historical or anthropological studies.

oh so the gay thing had no relevance except the kid took an opportunity to bring it up.

[ConHog]

oh so the gay thing had no relevance except the kid took an opportunity to bring it up.

We just don't know. If the teacher has a poster of two queers kissing on his wall, I am going to assume that he probably brings the subject up to his students. IMO if you bring it up, you don't then get to cry foul when a student voices his opinion that it is wrong.


But no, that poster , if it is really there, has NO business being in a classroom.