JP Cusick and Child Support

[LuvRPgrl]

why he thinks it's the worst thing in the world. This is a man running for "actual office", and apparently doesn't believe parents should be financially responsible for their kids...

Please dont confuse" shouldnt be responsable for", and "the current child support system sucks"

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My ONLY issue, ever, is WAY off topic - and that it irritates me that a man MUST pay CS even if he didn't want a kid.... You know, the whole abortion / have child and man having little input....

Yep, I agreee totally
a few things about that. It starts with, if a man doesnt want to pay child support, dont get the woman pregnant, its his best and only sure defense.
...Although I oppose abortion, it is a reality of our society. If woman wants abortion, man should be given choice of raising the kid without anything from the woman.
If man wants abortion, but woman keeps the kid, man should be exempt form CS and visitation. If the woman doesnt want to raise a kid without financial support, again, dont get pregnant.

If married, who ever files for divorce loses physical custody, primary, unless both want the divorce, or the Plaintiff (the one filing) can show an extremely good reason for divorcing, and not just irreconcilable differences (an absolutely destructive force on our society)

[JP Cusick]

Yes so immature that I raised my son without any support from his mother AND took on the responsibility of raising another young man when both his parents flaked out oh him. You meanwhile ran out on your own children and somehow think you did the right thing.

Excuse me for becoming emotional when I hear of children who have been NEGLECTED by their so called father.

Since you did do such noble things then you have every right to be proud of your actions.

I do NOT say that I did right for my son as I confess that I failed him miserably and I live every day with my regrets and with the results.

My only point is that the Child Support and Custody laws are evil, and those evil laws do need to be fought and stopped.

[LuvRPgrl]

You are as wrong as wrong can be on this. Now I do believe that some CES employees are more sympathetic towards women then they are towards men; but you don't have an understanding of how the system works..

Not only is my dick bigger than yours, but I'm willing to bet that I havef more personal experience about the system than you do. What you posted above is pure bullshit. How can you say I dont have an understanding how it works, when you dont even know me.

County employees have exactly ZERO ability to prosecute a person for failure to pay child support.

Prosecute is a very vague term.

1They can't even send a letter. NOTHING. ANd that is true in EVERY state..
. A case does not automatically go to them just becuase a child support order has been issued, nor do they automatically jump on a case if a parent gets behind on child support..

Part of your problem is you dont even read accurately. I never said any such thing,I said if the woman chooses to use the county to collect for her, then they will act on failure to pay immediately.

1Here is how the system works.Non custodial parent misses a child support payment
Custodial parent calls the hotline

Now let's assume it DOES get to thirty days.

... and send them a letter stating that they are $X behind in child support and that they have 30 days to either dispute the claim in writing or start making payments..

And yet above, you stated: The y can't even send a letter. NOTHING. ANd that is true in EVERY state..

Now here's where non custodial parents usually show how shitty they really are and they quit that job so as to avoid the garnishment....

If you start with the total number of men paying child support, your number is almost insignificant.

Now after that there are other options, including the state income tax refunds, lottery winnings etc etc. And those are always taken before any legal procedures to punish a non custodial.....

You left out confiscating their passport, drivers license, garnish their paycheck, AND,,,FREEZE AND CONFISCATE THE FUNDS IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT.
...AND, THAT OCCURS RANDOMLY IF THE MAN IS SELF EMPLOYED, REGARDLESS IF HE IS CURRENT ON HIS PAYMENTS OR NOT.


I am currently about thirty grand behind in my payments, does that make me a scumbag?




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[fj1200]

There are some smaller improvements which could be done to improve the laws, but the "best" change would be to completely end the Child Support orders completely and get the laws and the Courts out of the parenting business.

Truly - the 2 parents (all parents worldwide) can and would do just fine without the State or laws violating their relationship or their parenting.

And your child should be able to sue you in court for abandoning their needs.

[ConHog]

Not only is my dick bigger than yours, but I'm willing to bet that I havef more personal experience about the system than you do. What you posted above is pure bullshit. How can you say I dont have an understanding how it works, when you dont even know me.




Prosecute is a very vague term.


Part of your problem is you dont even read accurately. I never said any such thing,I said if the woman chooses to use the county to collect for her, then they will act on failure to pay immediately.


And yet above, you stated: The y can't even send a letter. NOTHING. ANd that is true in EVERY state..


If you start with the total number of men paying child support, your number is almost insignificant.


You left out confiscating their passport, drivers license, garnish their paycheck, AND,,,FREEZE AND CONFISCATE THE FUNDS IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT.
...AND, THAT OCCURS RANDOMLY IF THE MAN IS SELF EMPLOYED, REGARDLESS IF HE IS CURRENT ON HIS PAYMENTS OR NOT.


I am currently about thirty grand behind in my payments, does that make me a scumbag?




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You're goddamned right it does.


And that doesn't even address the ignorant lies you are telling in this thread. County employees have ZILCH to do with child support.

[Little-Acorn]

Well, it is meaningful.

To elaborate: Once the court judgments against you were made (specifying payments based on your income and visitation for your children), did you quit your job to avoid having to make those payments, and then go travelling around the country for purposes that included (a) evading any authorities who might try to enforce the payments ordered by the court(s), and (b) without regard for the needs of your children who might have benefitted from having their father present in their lives?

I hope this helps you to understand why my initial question was not "meaningless". If it is still not clear, I can elaborate further if needed.

JP, did you not see this question?

Or did you see it and decide you didn't want to reply?

[LuvRPgrl]

You're goddamned right it does.


And that doesn't even address the ignorant lies you are telling in this thread. County employees have ZILCH to do with child support.

Thanks for the premature judgement.
You are talking out your ass.

In 1985 , ex files for divorce and gets a $400 a month CS order.
A year later, she has moved to another county, but takes me back to court in the original county and has it raised to $650.
I send a ck for $650, the county refuses it, saying I only owe $410. I send anther check for $650 with a note telling them it has been raised.
They refuse it saying they need to see the order.
I send another $650 the next month, with a copy of the order.
They refuse it saying they need to receive it from the county.
A year goes by and I am unable to get county A to send county B a copy of the order.
I pay $2000 (1985 dollars) to an attorney so I can figure out how to pay the CS.
In the meantime, mom moves to another state.
The judges only ruling was the travel expenses be shared 50/50.
My attorney tells me to send county B a check for $410 and the balance to the mother until they can get it straightened out.
I do so, and deduct 1/2 the travel expenses from the ck I send her.
Years later, son turns 18, county still sends bill. I send them a letter telling them the order is only until he turns 18.
They say they need to see the order.
Again I send them a copy.
They send me a notice that I have only been paying $410 a month all these years, and I was suppose to be paying $650, so now I owe them $37,000.
I send them a letter telling them I paid it directly to her.
They say I have to prove I paid her.
For variouis reasons out of my control, I cant.

They confiscate my license, Im a self employed landscaper, good luck working like that
They confiscate my passport.
They intercept any tax returns me or my wife get whether state, county, felderal or anything.
I dont even know they took my license away and I get pulled over for a fictiscous tail light being out.
They say the car I was driving, which I had just bought, was registered to a sex offender in Riverside, it wasnt, I bought it from a business.
They send me to prison for a year, and confiscate my car, which I had just paid for.
I am still making monthly payments on the fine, for driving without a suspended license, which is more of a crime than not having one at all.

So now mr fuckhead, what do I do?

And, I get a bill from the COUNTY, it says it right on the invoice, you want me to send you a copy of it, or are you only willing to accept one directly from the county.

This whole thing has alot of other twists and turns that are bizarre and cause me all kinds of problems, but it would be a long post.
VIVA LA CHILD SUPPORT.

NOT TO MENTION THE COUNTY REFUSED TO ENFORCE THE VISISTATION THAT THE COURT ORDERED FOR ME.

Now, bring that skinny 6-1 frame over to SD and we will see how you can ATTEMPT to kick my a................
But let me warn you, Ive taken down guys bigger than you who thought it was allright to beat up on a woman.
I have a lifetime of training, great instructors, a lifetime of real world street experience, AND A TON OF FURY.
Not to mention, you aint bigger than me, every fight I have ever been in I was scared, so you cant intimidate me, you cant use a gun like when you were an MP, and you will have to ATTEMPT to throw the first blow, I NEVER start a fight.

[LuvRPgrl]

JP, did you not see this question?

Or did you see it and decide you didn't want to reply?

Even though I support his attempts to get child support, as it is, changed or eliminated, almost everything else he does or thinks, I dont agree with.

And a note to Conhoggy, if you dont believe me, then maybe after Lil acorn and I meet up some day, he will verify what I have said about myself.

[Gunny]

Since you did do such noble things then you have every right to be proud of your actions.

I do NOT say that I did right for my son as I confess that I failed him miserably and I live every day with my regrets and with the results.

My only point is that the Child Support and Custody laws are evil, and those evil laws do need to be fought and stopped.

You sound much as a cat chasing its tail looks.

Not to mention your cherrypicking. No response to MY post? Once again, it isn't the laws that are the problems. Try reading them. Pretty benign.

The problem is with those empowered to enforce the laws and the inconsistencies from one agency to the next, one judge to the next.

[jimnyc]

You sound much as a cat chasing its tail looks.

Not to mention your cherrypicking. No response to MY post? Once again, it isn't the laws that are the problems. Try reading them. Pretty benign.

The problem is with those empowered to enforce the laws and the inconsistencies from one agency to the next, one judge to the next.

The agencies can certainly use a bit of wrangling to fit modern needs and handle outstanding issues much faster.

But the BIGGEST problem with child support? The "fathers" who run out on their family and refuse to support a human being they brought into this world. There's lots of room for improvement on many avenues, but not a single reason for a father not to help at all.

Complain about how much, pay less and get in trouble, and I can sort of see your side. Think the amount is unfair because of custody agreement, talk to her/him and pay less for all I care. Unemployed or have a valid reason why you can't pay an amount or pay at all? Absolutely, no reason why you should be forced into the streets. But to walk away and not pay, or dodge the responsibility, go awol, not pay a dime, become a "dead beat dad" in the eyes of the law. Those people are the biggest problem, IMO.

[Abbey Marie]

Does the fact that the ex is living with her new boyfriend make it galling to pay support? Do you wonder how much of that money is going for fun times for her and the new lover? I must claim very little knowledge on the subject, so these are legit questions.

It would be nice if dads could pay the money into an account that can only be spent on food and kids' clothing, etc. Like a very limited trust where the trustees include an objective third party. Is that ever done? Or does the custodial parent have free rein to spend as they wish?

[jimnyc]

Does the fact that the ex is living with her new boyfriend make it galling to pay support? Do you wonder how much of that money is going for fun times for her and the new lover? I must claim very little knowledge on the subject, so these are legit questions.

It would be nice if dads could pay the money into an account that can only be spent on food and kids' clothing, etc. Like a very limited trust where the trustees include an objective third party. Is that ever done? Or does the custodial parent have free rein to spend as they wish?

That's definitely an issue, and one that is taken advantage of. I've seen it all before, and I've seen the couples receiving support that didn't need it. It would be nice if it were set into an account like the state does in NJ for welfare recipients, maybe at least ensure it's not used for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs.... Right now they pretty much do have free reign, so long as there are no issues with the child's well being.

[Abbey Marie]

That's definitely an issue, and one that is taken advantage of. I've seen it all before, and I've seen the couples receiving support that didn't need it. It would be nice if it were set into an account like the state does in NJ for welfare recipients, maybe at least ensure it's not used for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs.... Right now they pretty much do have free reign, so long as there are no issues with the child's well being.

This system just begs for abuse. People that use kids as pawns in any way are a disgrace.

[jimnyc]

This system just begs for abuse. People that use kids as pawns in any way are a disgrace.

Yep, and the majority of the time it is the child who pays the price.

[ConHog]

Thanks for the premature judgement.
You are talking out your ass.

In 1985 , ex files for divorce and gets a $400 a month CS order.
A year later, she has moved to another county, but takes me back to court in the original county and has it raised to $650.
I send a ck for $650, the county refuses it, saying I only owe $410. I send anther check for $650 with a note telling them it has been raised.
They refuse it saying they need to see the order.
I send another $650 the next month, with a copy of the order.
They refuse it saying they need to receive it from the county.
A year goes by and I am unable to get county A to send county B a copy of the order.
I pay $2000 (1985 dollars) to an attorney so I can figure out how to pay the CS.
In the meantime, mom moves to another state.
The judges only ruling was the travel expenses be shared 50/50.
My attorney tells me to send county B a check for $410 and the balance to the mother until they can get it straightened out.
I do so, and deduct 1/2 the travel expenses from the ck I send her.
Years later, son turns 18, county still sends bill. I send them a letter telling them the order is only until he turns 18.
They say they need to see the order.
Again I send them a copy.
They send me a notice that I have only been paying $410 a month all these years, and I was suppose to be paying $650, so now I owe them $37,000.
I send them a letter telling them I paid it directly to her.
They say I have to prove I paid her.
For variouis reasons out of my control, I cant.

They confiscate my license, Im a self employed landscaper, good luck working like that
They confiscate my passport.
They intercept any tax returns me or my wife get whether state, county, felderal or anything.
I dont even know they took my license away and I get pulled over for a fictiscous tail light being out.
They say the car I was driving, which I had just bought, was registered to a sex offender in Riverside, it wasnt, I bought it from a business.
They send me to prison for a year, and confiscate my car, which I had just paid for.
I am still making monthly payments on the fine, for driving without a suspended license, which is more of a crime than not having one at all.

So now mr fuckhead, what do I do?

And, I get a bill from the COUNTY, it says it right on the invoice, you want me to send you a copy of it, or are you only willing to accept one directly from the county.

This whole thing has alot of other twists and turns that are bizarre and cause me all kinds of problems, but it would be a long post.
VIVA LA CHILD SUPPORT.

NOT TO MENTION THE COUNTY REFUSED TO ENFORCE THE VISISTATION THAT THE COURT ORDERED FOR ME.

Now, bring that skinny 6-1 frame over to SD and we will see how you can ATTEMPT to kick my a................
But let me warn you, Ive taken down guys bigger than you who thought it was allright to beat up on a woman.
I have a lifetime of training, great instructors, a lifetime of real world street experience, AND A TON OF FURY.
Not to mention, you aint bigger than me, every fight I have ever been in I was scared, so you cant intimidate me, you cant use a gun like when you were an MP, and you will have to ATTEMPT to throw the first blow, I NEVER start a fight.

How has this type bullshit posts made it past Jimmy,Abby,Dmp, and Gunny? Seriously online threats? Good grief dude, grow up.


And I don't even know what you're takling about with the thinks it's alright to beat up women bit.