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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    I'm guessing that they're a monopoly and that there's not a competing public transportation system in the same city? The system may now be privately owned, but it's still a government-enforced monopoly. Good find, though. I'll give you that. Still, it's more like the old Bell System in the U.S. than true private enterprise. The Bell System was privately owned, but the government made sure that it was the ONLY phone company. The phones sucked. The lines sucked. It was really expensive. Etc. etc.
    You're right, it's a government-enforced monopoly. Good point. I believe govt calls for tenders. Personally I think it's a dumb idea in a situation where there's no natural competition. The state govt should simply take it back, corporatise it and hold its management accountable for performance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit:
    It still wasn't government doing it. Most university research was privately, not publicly funded, unlike now, where there's so many government grants that just about everybody has one. I also take it that they, uh, sold their little invention to the public, rather than just handing it over to the government for distribution?
    In the UK back then there were no private universities, they were government-funded. I believe that research became the property of the university and then the government, but I can't be totally sure about that.
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    You are dead on, dr. But that is where the rub in America is all about.


    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    You're right, it's a government-enforced monopoly. Good point. I believe govt calls for tenders. Personally I think it's a dumb idea in a situation where there's no natural competition. The state govt should simply take it back, corporatise it and hold its management accountable for performance.




    In the UK back then there were no private universities, they were government-funded. I believe that research became the property of the university and then the government, but I can't be totally sure about that.
    Most of us think that the corps should be accountable. The only ones that don't believe in accountability control the media, the government and ultimately what they agree that we, the peoples, should be told. And they are shameless about it and project their shamelessness onto unsuspecting voters that tend to post in predominantly right wing sites.

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    I think that's right, the accountability aspect I mean. Sadly I think it's too late.
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    The bullshit of corporatism is not an argument for embracing communism--it an argument for the notion that the "economy" does not need government regulation.
    "... whenever any number of men, calling themselves a government, do anything to another man, or to his property, which they had no right to do as individuals, they thereby declare themselves trespassers, robbers, or murderers, according to the nature of their acts." - Lysander Spooner

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post
    The bullshit of corporatism is not an argument for embracing communism--it an argument for the notion that the "economy" does not need government regulation.
    Well, there are externalities which lend credibility to small government interventions to correct the markets, but for the most part, yes. Governmental regulations hurt mostly small businesses, the backbone of our economy. That leads to a disproportionate amount of production in huge corporations, which attempt to use the government to regulate their opponents out of business. The less government interference, the better.
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    Name one thing the government does better than the private sector and I'll show you something that requires the use of force to accomplish.

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    An economy without regulation isn't just undesirable, it's impossible.
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    Exactly, dr.

    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    An economy without regulation isn't just undesirable, it's impossible.
    It's there for the taking. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    Exactly, dr.



    It's there for the taking. Why not?
    I suppose I was thinking of current forms of economy. I would think that an argument could be made (by those more economically literate than me) that a fully anarchist society (if that's not a contradiction in terms - and anarchism in the sense of Proudhon) wouldn't need regulation of its economy per se.
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    But per se is the problem. Don't you know?


    Quote Originally Posted by diuretic View Post
    I suppose I was thinking of current forms of economy. I would think that an argument could be made (by those more economically literate than me) that a fully anarchist society (if that's not a contradiction in terms - and anarchism in the sense of Proudhon) wouldn't need regulation of its economy per se.
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    Socialism......You all don't have to make no decisicions for your self...

    Communism............

    Give it up.......You will NEVER MAKE ANOTHER decision for yourself...

    Yea....I chose........none of the above...
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoblues View Post
    But per se is the problem. Don't you know?




    I get my kicks on Route 66.
    Well I did drive along a little bit of the old Route 66 once
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHawk View Post
    Think he forgot to take his meds again.
    Or skipped breakfast....



    from the start of 2007 to date....
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    A system that guarantees lowest-common-denominator health-care to all--as long as the denominator is not too low--and then allows the affluent to buy a higher level of care if they so desire (which is how things work in Australia and the U.K., if I understand correctly) would be a dramatic improvement over what we've got in the U.S. right now

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