Strip-Searched Grandma Says TSA Removed Her Underwear

[ConHog]

I've seen issues from the TSA that are horrid, and need to be corrected. Then I see issues where the passengers are looking for trouble. I've seen issues where it seems as if the complainer is potentially lying. I just think each case needs to be addressed separately, even if the TSA needs addressing as a whole. But to automatically accuse employees of wrongdoing because of who they work for is wrong.

Agreed completely.

[Kathianne]

How did the first woman, the one you immediately blamed the TSA for, be in the screening room for 11 minutes according to cameras and yet have been an hour late and missed her flight? Why does her story go against what the cameras showed? I didn't see you reply to my question earlier...

Hmmm, seems you skipped my post on 3 and now CH is glomming onto this post of yours. It wasn't one. Indeed, TSA is now saying that they've 'been working on' how to deal with elder issues, like 10 years + isn't enough time?

[ConHog]

Hmmm, seems you skipped my post on 3 and now CH is glomming onto this post of yours. It wasn't one. Indeed, TSA is now saying that they've 'been working on' how to deal with elder issues, like 10 years + isn't enough time?

Hundreds of thousands of people manage to fly every year without encountering ANY problems with the TSA, so this acting like they just can't do anything right is silly. Nothing they do is going to prevent EVERY bad encounter from happening.

Now I notice YOU refuse to admit that yes in fact there are people who go out of there way to provoke the TSA.

[jimnyc]

Hmmm, seems you skipped my post on 3 and now CH is glomming onto this post of yours. It wasn't one. Indeed, TSA is now saying that they've 'been working on' how to deal with elder issues, like 10 years + isn't enough time?

I read your posts. I was still speaking about the complaint from the OP. I'm sure there are many valid complaints out there, and quite possibly the subsequent complaints since the OP. I was strictly stating that the woman in the 1st post, her story doesn't seem to add up, and that TSA agents themselves shouldn't automatically considered guilty when complaints are made, just because they are employed by the TSA. Each case is different. For 3 women complaining, there are thousands at the same time having no issues. That doesn't excuse other complaints, but shows that not all TSA agents are doing anything inappropriate.

[Kathianne]

I read your posts. I was still speaking about the complaint from the OP. I'm sure there are many valid complaints out there, and quite possibly the subsequent complaints since the OP. I was strictly stating that the woman in the 1st post, her story doesn't seem to add up, and that TSA agents themselves shouldn't automatically considered guilty when complaints are made, just because they are employed by the TSA. Each case is different. For 3 women complaining, there are thousands at the same time having no issues. That doesn't excuse other complaints, but shows that not all TSA agents are doing anything inappropriate.

No one said all. The point was that really granny or baby shouldn't be put through something akin to rape, when there isn't the profiling, MO if you will, to warrant such. Probably why TSA is working on it. Gag.

[Kathianne]

I read your posts. I was still speaking about the complaint from the OP. I'm sure there are many valid complaints out there, and quite possibly the subsequent complaints since the OP. I was strictly stating that the woman in the 1st post, her story doesn't seem to add up, and that TSA agents themselves shouldn't automatically considered guilty when complaints are made, just because they are employed by the TSA. Each case is different. For 3 women complaining, there are thousands at the same time having no issues. That doesn't excuse other complaints, but shows that not all TSA agents are doing anything inappropriate.

What you quoted wasn't directed towards you. Still and all, I just really couldn't care what 'you are sure of.'

[ConHog]

No one said all. The point was that really granny or baby shouldn't be put through something akin to rape, when there isn't the profiling, MO if you will, to warrant such. Probably why TSA is working on it. Gag.

A strip search isn't akin to rape. Good grief............. Now if they did a cavity search you MIGHT have a point.

[Kathianne]

A strip search isn't akin to rape. Good grief............. Now if they did a cavity search you MIGHT have a point.

I have a point, that you are too prejudiced to see it isn't my problem. Thankfully most law enforcement people aren't of your ilk.

[ConHog]

I have a point, that you are too prejudiced to see it isn't my problem. Thankfully most law enforcement people aren't of your ilk.

Your point is that the strip search that probably never happened is akin to rape?

[jimnyc]

No one said all. The point was that really granny or baby shouldn't be put through something akin to rape, when there isn't the profiling, MO if you will, to warrant such. Probably why TSA is working on it. Gag.

I think some rape victims would take offense to the comparison. I think some people are having their civil liberties violated, and I hope they succeed in any and all lawsuits that arise out of it. And maybe there are a handful of cases that actually rise to the level of assault, or a lesser sex offense, but certainly not rape.

What you quoted wasn't directed towards you. Still and all, I just really couldn't care what 'you are sure of.'

You quoted my post, and that's what I quote from you. As to the bold... Then why would you reply to me? Why the attitude about a reply I made that is actually quite mild?

[revelarts]

I'm not sure why this story isn't credible to some, based on what we already seen the TSA do before it;s not far fetched.
And the woman doesn't seem to have an agenda. I'm mean is she just a crazy old biddy or something?
either way the TSA has done enough other dirty deeds that this is just another log on the fire.
I hope the TSA is abolished soon.

You would call these employees guilty solely based on what other TSA agents have done in the past? How about judging them based on the facts?

He would call them guilty based on the SOLE fact that they are TSA employees. You know that, and I know that.

I didn't call them guilty, I just don't think it's far fetched.
When more facts come out we could be a bit more sure of what went on.
What do you think we'll get in the way of details from the TSA? Can the person sue and and a real investigation done?


As far as being guilty for being the TSA ... what..
I've always been agaist the TSA and all of the BS faux security, taking off shoes, no liquids, and pedophilia, geriatriphilla general purpose feel-ya.
TSA is not just a waste, it's another stripe against freedoms in the U.S..

here's a couple of former Air Marshalls and FAA red team security people talking about the lack of real security to this day. TSA is security theater and it is a crime that it still exist, every strip searched offense is just adding insult to injury.
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[Kathianne]

Actually the rape analogy works pretty well. These folks will likely be traumatized enough to never fly again, perhaps even find it hard to leave their homes again. Likely blaming themselves for putting themselves in the position of being there. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong employees.

Blaming the victim doesn't work in raper or this instance either.

As for CH saying there are 'some people' that are baiting or trying to entrap the TSA, that is likely. What isn't are people with real physical issues and in their 70's-90's.

What if it had been one of your moms? You'd still feel that it was her fault?

[jimnyc]

Actually the rape analogy works pretty well. These folks will likely be traumatized enough to never fly again, perhaps even find it hard to leave their homes again. Likely blaming themselves for putting themselves in the position of being there. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong employees.

Blaming the victim doesn't work in raper or this instance either.

Speaking solely about the OP...

You can't really say "blaming the victim" as you don't really know whether or not she is a victim, unless you solely listen to her complaint and ignore the TSA's words and the videotape. If she was "abused" in any way, heads should roll. The evidence thus far doesn't point to that being the case, and her own words don't add up.

And again, actual rape victims would probably take offense to comparing their violent abuses to that of someone who had some sort of strip search. While certainly not pleasant to go through, it's a far cry from rape.

[fj1200]

True or not. Privatize the TSA!

[jimnyc]

True or not. Privatize the TSA!

No argument here. I think the majority of the problems are because of the administration and guidelines, and not the screeners who take the majority of the heat. Get the government out of the entire thing and let the carriers hire independent security agencies.

Now, supposing this happens, or something close to that - what will be next if a private company performs "similar" searches to protect their employer/airlines?