Army faults officers in soldier's death

[gabosaurus]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4811482.html

WASHINGTON — Poor leadership and complacency in a U.S. military unit contributed to the abduction and murder by insurgents of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca of Houston and another soldier in Iraq last year, near where three soldiers vanished last weekend, according to an internal Army report.

The mutilated bodies of Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas Tucker were recovered three days after their June 16 kidnapping. The attack in Mahmoudiya, Iraq, appeared eerily similar to the assault on Saturday that left four GIs dead and the three others missing.

"This was an event caused by numerous acts of complacency and a lack of standards at the platoon level," according to the report, obtained by the Houston Chronicle on Wednesday.

[darin]

The Army is absolutely the BEST organization on the planet at holding people accountable. HOOAH Army for policing it's own. Of Course - you probably didn't read the part about the logistics problems the unit faces. Budgets drive logistics.


THIS part is jacked up - I'm sorry, though, because you typically don't like to say anything bad about anybody BUT the US Military..

Among the most damning: An Iraqi Army unit less than 900 meters from the attack did nothing to aid Menchaca and the other soldiers. The Iraqi soldiers claimed they were unaware of the attack, but Army investigator Lt. Col. Timothy Daugherty wrote, "I think the IA (Iraqi Army) likely did hear and see the attack ... I believe that they then (chose) to not become an active participant in the attack on either side."

[Monkeybone]

didn't it say that they only had one hmv? and the IA prob didn't do anything because these weren't pl that they could bully.


or their cousins.

[gabosaurus]

The military is good at placing the blame on non-coms and lower level officers. Fault rarely progresses too far up the chain of command.

[darin]

The military is good at placing the blame on non-coms and lower level officers. Fault rarely progresses too far up the chain of command.

We'll have a good discussion when you come back to reality.

[Samantha]

The military is good at placing the blame on non-coms and lower level officers. Fault rarely progresses too far up the chain of command.

It's attitudes like dmp's that make this possible.

[darin]

It's attitudes like dmp's that make this possible.

Make what possible?

[gabosaurus]

Blame for military mistakes rarely makes it too far up the chain of command. The torture camp debacle is a good example. Orders concerned the methods used in the torture camps came straight from the Pentagon and the White House. It was the non-coms and lower echelon that got busted for it.
I bet Cheney is still laughing about the whole thing.

[darin]

Blame for military mistakes rarely makes it too far up the chain of command. The torture camp debacle is a good example.

What's a Torture Camp?

Orders concerned the methods used in the torture camps came straight from the Pentagon and the White House. It was the non-coms and lower echelon that got busted for it.
I bet Cheney is still laughing about the whole thing.

Are you talking of Abo Graib? (sp?) - Who committed the acts? Reasonable people hold those who do the acts responsible for the crime. As an example, we don't 'fire' Bill Gates because one of his Janitors stole from work, right?

[Gaffer]

Blame for military mistakes rarely makes it too far up the chain of command. The torture camp debacle is a good example. Orders concerned the methods used in the torture camps came straight from the Pentagon and the White House. It was the non-coms and lower echelon that got busted for it.
I bet Cheney is still laughing about the whole thing.

You know NOTHING about the military. When events happen the people involved are the lower ranks. Even Colonels are rarely involved with frontline activities. There are NO orders being sent down through the chain of command to act like buttheads. That only exists in your warped imagination.

[5stringJeff]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4811482.html
"This was an event caused by numerous acts of complacency and a lack of standards at the platoon level," according to the report, obtained by the Houston Chronicle on Wednesday.

Lack of standards at the platoon level is squarely on the LT and the platoon sergeant. The company commander and/or 1SG might have a small role to play in that (by not properly inspecting their subordinate units). That's as far up the chain as such a matter could go.

[gabosaurus]

Debacles such as the American torture camps (Gitmo et al) are not the working of non coms and lower commissioned. Things like this start at the top and are followed by the lower ranks.
American troops are trained to follow orders. The orders come down through the chain of command.

[manu1959]

can anyone link me up to the chain of command accountabilty trials for the recent leadership failure for miss-planning al queda attacks which resulted in the deaths of several freedom fighters?

[stephanie]

can anyone link me up to the chain of command accountability trials for the recent leadership failure for miss-planning al qaeda attacks which resulted in the deaths of several freedom fighters?

What do you expect.......?????
When they have more worries over a FREEDON FIGHTER, than our own military men and women????


Make me sick.....

[darin]

Debacles such as the American torture camps (Gitmo et al) are not the working of non coms and lower commissioned. Things like this start at the top and are followed by the lower ranks.
American troops are trained to follow orders. The orders come down through the chain of command.

What a line of crap. Nothing you wrote there makes sense.